Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

striker42 said:
I hate to break it to some but the transition team talking to Russia is not going to get an impeachment. It could come out that Trump himself was ordering everyone on the team to call every Russian diplomat they knew and it's not going to get an impeachment. There are plenty of things that are illegal but wont create enough of a political firestorm to unseat a president.

Honestly, I expect most people wouldn't have a problem with a President-elect wading into the foreign policy waters. Most people probably assume they do it considering a president-elect is just a couple months away from running foreign policy.

To bring Trump down it will have to be something easily understood and shocking to people. Conspiring with Russia to rig the election would do it. While we have smoke of Russia interference, there's nothing connecting all the dots right now. You get a smoking gun of that and Trump goes down. Transition team influencing foreign policy? Not enough.
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Agreed. I loathe President Trump, and moreover think there's a high probability there is some level of substantial wrongdoing, on his part, lurking behind this mess. Having said that, I highly doubt it comes to much in terms of legal or procedural repercussions for the President. I'm skeptical it's even enough, on its own, to unseat him democratically in the next presidential election-year (though with enough other bad breaks for him, and good moves from the other party, it still could happen).
 
According to Logan Act - yes, this would qualify as a high crime or misdemeanor
The President - elect is a private citizen until inauguration ?

That is a question -- I don't know that answer
 
I remember where i was the day John Dean flipped.

Driving a VW Bug and listening on the radio as Alexander Butterfield told the Senate Committee about the secret recording device in the Oval Office

today was one of those days
Trump heard today's news on TV like everyone else
 
57Brave said:
§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).
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To my untrained eye, the Trump transition team would have needed permission from the Obama State Dept
 
I do like how all of the acknowledged Russian contacts (including the alleged Kushner request for a secure channel to Moscow outside of US intel ears) are explained away as them being so hot to defeat ISIS that they couldn't restrain themselves.

You can just hear the appended "believe me."
 
This is big...

In reality it's just a president elect building relationship's with foreign leaders. Basically what every American should expect out of any president elect.
 
Julio3000 said:
I do like how all of the acknowledged Russian contacts (including the alleged Kushner request for a secure channel to Moscow outside of US intel ears) are explained away as them being so hot to defeat ISIS that they couldn't restrain themselves.

You can just hear the appended "believe me."
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Until you find proof of that then you cant impeach him for it.
 
thethe said:
Again...this is a start but this is not the final piece to prove to the country impeachment is required.
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Impeachment is only the trial itself. I think it's safe to say that this investigation is itself a form of impeachment and a more reliable and straightforward operation than what we would/will get from Congress.
 
Runnin said:
Impeachment is only the trial itself. I think it's safe to say that this investigation is itself a form of impeachment and a more reliable and straightforward operation that what we would/will get from Congress.
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One in the same but yes techinally you are right.
 
Super said:
it was always baffling how so many believed in this guy. believed he either never was or had changed from being the scummy, cheating businessman he always was. it's truly unbelievable.
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It's certainly a sad phenomenon, if not an ugly stain on this country's history.
 
google is my friend. For now

It’s clear in this case that Mueller will not use Logan as the direct charge in court to prosecute Flynn or Kushner. As I mentioned, a violation of the Act alone has never led to a conviction. But lying about one’s action pursuant to a Logan Act violation is an eminently prosecutable offense. That’s perjury and a standard federal case. This is what Flynn has confessed to.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/12/01/michael-flynn-jared-kushner-and-logan-act
 
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