Rule 5

biggentleben said:
I'm thinking there's a chance that he's kept for his bat and the ability to be a 3rd catcher/PH. Cordoba hadn't played any full-season ball at all before last season. Torrens hadn't played above low-A and only 40 games at low-A. In the AFL, Pentecost was finally healthy and showed well behind the plate. That could be enough for a team that believes in his pedigree.
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You realize SD grabbed those players and stashed them on the bench with the intentions of sending them back to the minors in 2018, right?

That is the first time I have ever seen a team completely punt 2 roster spots like that. You think something similar is going to happen with Pentecost?
 
Enscheff said:
You realize SD grabbed those players and stashed them on the bench with the intentions of sending them back to the minors in 2018, right?

That is the first time I have ever seen a team completely punt 2 roster spots like that. You think something similar is going to happen with Pentecost?
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Might be the first you can remember, but it's happened previously. Everth Cabrera had never played above A-ball (and only had a handful of games even at high-A) before being selected and sticking for a full season and starting most of the year. Johan Santana had never thrown above A ball. Those are two off the top of my head.

And Torrens had that purpose, but Cordoba was picked to play, and he did, appearing in 100 games.
 
biggentleben said:
Might be the first you can remember, but it's happened previously. Everth Cabrera had never played above A-ball (and only had a handful of games even at high-A) before being selected and sticking for a full season and starting most of the year. Johan Santana had never thrown above A ball. Those are two off the top of my head.

And Torrens had that purpose, but Cordoba was picked to play, and he did, appearing in 100 games.
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He certainly did play...and posted -1.1 WAR.
 
Enscheff said:
He certainly did play...and posted -1.1 WAR.
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Not sure how many games off the top of my head, but I feel like he played the majority of his time in the OF a position I don't believe he had previously played prior to playing it at the major league level.

Just something to consider.
 
blueagleace1 said:
Not sure how many games off the top of my head, but I feel like he played the majority of his time in the OF a position I don't believe he had previously played prior to playing it at the major league level.

Just something to consider.
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Exactly, primarily as a defensive replacement as well. I think he had something like 250 plate appearances.
 
blueagleace1 said:
Not sure how many games off the top of my head, but I feel like he played the majority of his time in the OF a position I don't believe he had previously played prior to playing it at the major league level.

Just something to consider.
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SD stashed him because they didn’t need to win. They played him because they were terrible.

Both will be in the minors in 2018, as planned from the moment they were drafted.
 
biggentleben said:
Exactly, primarily as a defensive replacement as well. I think he had something like 250 plate appearances.
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Both players SD picked will be in the minors in 2918 because that’s why they were selected.

If Pentecost is drafted it will be for exactly the same reason.
 
Enscheff said:
SD stashed him because they didn’t need to win. They played him because they were terrible.

Both will be in the minors in 2018, as planned from the moment they were drafted.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. You give such good points on this board but anytime someone has a different opinion or view other than the one you feel is right, you attack them and become defensive. There's always going to be multiple opinions (that's what makes a discussion) so just because someone doesn't agree with you, just try hearing them out instead of instantly going on the defensive. Like I said, you're extremely savvy and bring awesome points up in tons of threads, so keep that up but just try to be a little more open to what others say.
 
If Pentecost is drafted, it would have to be by an AL team where he could DH in addition to catch occasionally.
 
50PoundHead said:
If Pentecost is drafted, it would have to be by an AL team where he could DH in addition to catch occasionally.
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...or an NL team willing to let him play C/1B and pinch hit a bunch while working with someone they believe is very good instructing behind the plate.

I don't disagree, though. He's not the top rule 5 option, but he certainly will draw interest and dismissing him as if he won't is foolhardy.
 
biggentleben said:
...or an NL team willing to let him play C/1B and pinch hit a bunch while working with someone they believe is very good instructing behind the plate.

I don't disagree, though. He's not the top rule 5 option, but he certainly will draw interest and dismissing him as if he won't is foolhardy.
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That’s about the most non-committal prediction I’ve ever read haha.

He won’t be picked in the R5 draft unless it’s to stash him on the bench before sending him back to the minors like SD did last year with the guys they took.
 
biggentleben said:
...or an NL team willing to let him play C/1B and pinch hit a bunch while working with someone they believe is very good instructing behind the plate.

I don't disagree, though. He's not the top rule 5 option, but he certainly will draw interest and dismissing him as if he won't is foolhardy.
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NL benches are just too short of a guy like Pentecost. It's different when your 25th guy can play extensively in the field as a defensive back-up. Someone pointed out Cabrera and I would add when the Phils kept Goeddel around for 2016. A third catcher is extremely rare these days as teams opt for extra bullpen arms. I just don't see a situation where Pentecost gets 100 ABs where he isn't DH-ing.
 
Cortes could be interesting. He’s a junkball lefty who would fit best as a swing man long reliever. We don’t seem to have a need for that now, but I’m a fan of adding pieces that allow you to trade current pieces.
 
Chico said:
Cortes could be interesting. He’s a junkball lefty who would fit best as a swing man long reliever. We don’t seem to have a need for that now, but I’m a fan of adding pieces that allow you to trade current pieces.
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He doesn't light up the radar gun but his stuff plays up because he has some deception in his delivery.

When you look at performance adjusted for age and level, the results he had in AAA last year at age 22 are very good. 10.6 Ks per nine and 2.1 Ks per nine. Compares favorably to Sims and Fried, who are both a year older.
 
50PoundHead said:
I highly doubt Pentecost will be drafted.
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biggentleben said:
I don't. He showed well in the catching he did in Arizona, and every team had multiple reps there. He didn't get a ton of game time behind the plate, but he did a lot of working out behind the plate and showed very well.
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biggentleben said:
I'm thinking there's a chance that he's kept for his bat and the ability to be a 3rd catcher/PH. Cordoba hadn't played any full-season ball at all before last season. Torrens hadn't played above low-A and only 40 games at low-A. In the AFL, Pentecost was finally healthy and showed well behind the plate. That could be enough for a team that believes in his pedigree.
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Ben, was Max Pentecost picked in the R5 draft to be kept on a MLB roster as a 3rd catcher and PHer?
 
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