Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

Oklahomahawk said:
once they show me some actual hard evidence

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None of us have seen hard evidence. And Trump does get his day in court to face his accusers and all that.

But what we have seen doesn't look too good for the accused.
Flynn was in the soup for life in Leavenworth and took a plea for lying to the FBI
Hmm

I would much rather be in HRC's shoes over Seth Rich than Trump's over the avalanche Mueller holds
 
You keep bring up seth rich as a fake story but someone with Hugh level visibility into the campaign basically corroborated some nefarious happenings.

In terms of bet baire. All of these leaks are damaging and should not happen but let's not pretend that HRC enjoyed many advantages based on her party afiliation.
 
thethe said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ian-ambassador-legal-james-robbins/917714001/

And it starts. Some reason...
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One thing f that's getting lost in the shuffle in the "Flynn did nothing wrong" talking points is a specious comparison between Trump and Obama transitions. Flynn may not have violated any laws, but those talking points are also trying to normalize the fact that the Trump transition was actively seeking to undermine the sitting administration's FP in at least a couple of areas. This is not the standard for recent transitions in either party.

I get that it's not material to the larger question, and further that y'all don't care, but let's at least try to stick to facts.
 
57Brave said:
None of us have seen hard evidence. And Trump does get his day in court to face his accusers and all that.

But what we have seen doesn't look too good for the accused.

Flynn was in the soup for life in Leavenworth and took a plea for lying to the FBI

Hmm

I would much rather be in HRC's shoes over Seth Rich than Trump's over the avalanche Mueller holds
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Avalanche? Is this an assumption?
 
Julio3000 said:
One thing f that's getting lost in the shuffle in the "Flynn did nothing wrong" talking points is a specious comparison between Trump and Obama transitions. Flynn may not have violated any laws, but those talking points are also trying to normalize the fact that the Trump transition was actively seeking to undermine the sitting administration's FP in at least a couple of areas. This is not the standard for recent transitions in either party.

I get that it's not material to the larger question, and further that y'all don't care, but let's at least try to stick to facts.
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Obama is trying to undermine trump now and he can't even use the reason he is in a transition.

I'm sorry but this argument is absrud. To the Victor go the spoils and that is how it's always been
 
thethe said:
You keep bring up seth rich as a fake story but someone with Hugh level visibility into the campaign basically corroborated some nefarious happenings.

In terms of bet baire. All of these leaks are damaging and should not happen but let's not pretend that HRC enjoyed many advantages based on her party afiliation.
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Dude, they retracted the story. What new information leads you to believe that there's anything to it?

I bring it up because you're hollering about an erroneous news story, yet when I ask you about a fabricated and retracted news story, you say "oh, well, that one is ok because I believe it, independent of any credible corroboration."
 
Julio3000 said:
Dude, they retracted the story. What new information leads you to believe that there's anything to it?

I bring it up because you're hollering about an erroneous news story, yet when I ask you about a fabricated and retracted news story, you say "oh, well, that one is ok because I believe it, independent of any credible corroboration."
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Donna Brazille doesn't believe it's erroneous
 
thethe said:
Obama is trying to undermine trump now and he can't even use the reason he is in a transition.

I'm sorry but this argument is absrud. To the Victor go the spoils and that is how it's always been
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Until taking the oath of office, Trump was a private citizen.

And let me correct Julio, Flynn did violate laws. Which is why he took a plea and in that plea is admittance of guilt
 
thethe said:
Obama is trying to undermine trump now and he can't even use the reason he is in a transition.

I'm sorry but this argument is absrud. To the Victor go the spoils and that is how it's always been
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Ok, give me a concrete example of president-elect Obama undermining Bush foreign policy. Or Bush--> Clinton. Or Clinton--> Bush.
 
57Brave said:
Until taking the oath of office, Trump was a private citizen.

And let me correct Julio, Flynn did violate laws. Which is why he took a plea and in that plea is admittance of guilt
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Flynn lied to the FBI. That part is as-yet unexplained in the "he was just lawfully doing his job" argument. As is the fact that he wasn't fired (err, resigned) for weeks after it was brought to the attention of the WH.
 
Julio3000 said:
Ok, give me a concrete example of president-elect Obama undermining Bush foreign policy. Or Bush--> Clinton. Or Clinton--> Bush.
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What about Obama parading around now? What is that doing?

Coalition building happens with all transition teams. Stop pretending this is new.
 
thethe said:
The overreach is telling.
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So in an alternate universe where Hillary Clinton was president, you wouldn't think it was a big deal that her her national security advisor resigned within a month and was later convicted of making false statements for the FBI?
 
Julio3000 said:
So in an alternate universe where Hillary Clinton was president, you wouldn't think it was a big deal that her her national security advisor resigned within a month and was later convicted of making false statements for the FBI?
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Flynn should have ramifications. But you can't push collusion for over a year and then come to the table with this
 
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