zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Rey is a powerful force user. As is Luke. As is Snoke, as is Ren. Sorry that you don't like her, she's a pretty interesting character. But I do enjoy the slow decline into a red piller that you've become.
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Rey is a powerful force user. As is Luke. As is Snoke, as is Ren. Sorry that you don't like her, she's a pretty interesting character. But I do enjoy the slow decline into a red piller that you've become.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You don't show much love for the OT if you don't like the current trilogy. It's steeped in similar mythology. The difference is that the OT is now fleshed out a lot more.In 10 years or so this trilogy will be fleshed out a lot more. WE'll learn more about Rey, Poe, etc. Phasma was fleshed out a **** ton in a novel for example. We didn't really know as much about Luke or the Skywalkers until we had the prequels and other novels.
It was also shown earlier in the movie that the force was awakening in Rey (hence the title) when she infiltrated Kylo's mind while he was trying to do the same to her. She grew in the force exponentially during the movie.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
BEcause people are dumb. I'm tired of dumb opinions. Especially when people pretend to know about the lore when they don't.
You constantly undercut the guy who was responsible with making the Lore in the first place.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Not really. I love Lucas's big picture stuff. Just the prequels are not good movies.
Don't get me wrong, he's allowed to do what he wants, but I think the star wars saga has done a better job being on task under Disney.
I dont think it was Disney. Lucas has all these grand ideas and he had Kastan clean them up on Empire and Return, that’s why they were so great. There was a buffer. There was no buffer on the prequels that’s why there were so horrible.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I wouldn't outright call the prequels horrible, I would say that they were not great films, certainly not great blockbusters. Again, no one cares about trade embargos and political intrigue.
A lot of the general plotlines of the prequels are interesting, the Jedi being a failure because they let the Sith control the galaxy from right under their noses add in the finding/training of Anakin who became Vader. Then you have some cool things discussed. Unfortunately a lot of it gets bogged down in unnecessary technical stuff and some poor choices (like showing Anakin as a kid then later as a teenager/young adult and changing none of the cast) That's why the Clone Wars was great, it let Lucas tell the polical tails as well as set up the fall of Anakin in a believable manner and it was able to do it because it wasn't confined to 2 hour films. Similar to how Rebels has captured a ton of cool concepts (force beings like the Bendu, Inquisitors, seeds of rebellion leading to the unification of the Rebel Alliance, and many more) and that's where I think Disney has succeeded in continuity. They haven't over explained everything on film. You don't need to see a vote against Chancellor Valorum, you don't need a 5 minute spiel about Midichlorians, you don't need a seemingly going nowhere Obi Wan vs. Jango thing.
Really the prequels had some great ideas, but the execution just wasn't quite right and that's why most hated it. I'm personally glad the bandage was ripped off for this film, I wasn't a big fan of all the "who's Snoke, who's Rey's parents, etc." that Abrams created in TFA. I appreciated it because it was stylistically brilliant and it was at that point in time the best directed Star Wars film (TLJ smokes it though, Johnson shows he's the superior director to Abrams)
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Got back from the 3rd viewing for me. A few small things I picked up. First knowing how everything is working out, you can really appreciate the true spit in the face of the Deus Ex Machina that appeared to be DJ, and it was pretty clear that he wasn't gonna be part of the "good guys" and it is clear that how everything just miraculously worked around him was not gonna keep happening. Pretty smart. Also knowing what we know now about Snoke and Kylo it slightly clears up Luke's second lesson. He's talking about why he can't go back because the Jedi failed again. The hubris was his own, the legend that grew in his absence all that stuff he said about the Jedi Order was true of him. Smart decision overall to go that route, but Luke changes because of Yoda's message and changes for Rey and the Resistance.
So have we decided the logic and reasoning for how Rose and Finn were 5 yards away from the AT Walkers when she saved him, and somehow Finn is allowed to drag Rose on a metal plate unscathed and without being attacked by any of the First Order for a few hundred yards?
And the whole "we're not gonna win fighting what we hate but saving what we love" might have been the corniest and most misplaced dialogue/scene in the movie. Not only was it a complete 180 of the reality of what was going on but just plain bad. The Resistance was pinned down inside the bunker. Luke saved them. They were almost wiped out, so her saving Finn would have been entirely moot and wasted if not for Luke's diversion.
And still, I don't care if you wanna justify it by saying all the FO were focused on Luke. They could clearly see Finn dragging Rose outside on a metal plate. Hux just saw him an hour before that on Snoke's ship. But not one ship was firing at Finn, nor did any FO officers go down to arrest/capture them.
BUT. Great writing. Masterpiece.
And the whole "we're not gonna win fighting what we hate but saving what we love" might have been the corniest and most misplaced dialogue/scene in the movie. Not only was it a complete 180 of the reality of what was going on but just plain bad. The Resistance was pinned down inside the bunker. Luke saved them. They were almost wiped out, so her saving Finn would have been entirely moot and wasted if not for Luke's diversion.
And still, I don't care if you wanna justify it by saying all the FO were focused on Luke. They could clearly see Finn dragging Rose outside on a metal plate. Hux just saw him an hour before that on Snoke's ship. But not one ship was firing at Finn, nor did any FO officers go down to arrest/capture them.
BUT. Great writing. Masterpiece.
Tapate50
Well-known member
That was horrible
Should have let him drive it up the Rams beam. Finns an awful
Character imo
I think Finn dragging rose 200 yards without any First Order intervention is a legit nitpick. Bigger than Rose closing ground in Finn after she turned around completely when Poe called off the attack. Finn picked up speed and Rose somehow cut the deficit and overtook him in the slow broken down speeders.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
That's a relatively easy one to explain. Finn's vehicle clearly was facing a **** ton of resistance in the beam of the battering ram cannon. It was clearly shown on the film.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
1. Luke's distraction. He showed up basically right afterwards. That barrage took quite some time. As far as how long, who knows.
2. It was corny as hell. But it was thematic to the point of the film, to embrace what was great about the OT, rather than just dump on the prequels.
3. You think anyone in the first order would disobey Kylo Ren? When Hux attempted to Ren simply threw him away and the lower in command immediately complied. As far as why, remember that the order from Ren was no quarter. So they assumed they would be destroyed eventually anyway. You're assuming that Finn and Rose mean that much to the first order, which Kylo Ren is the leader. He cared about Luke and Luke only. He wanted to end the resistance, breaking off any point of this to focus on 2 people would have been counterproductive to his goal
Use your head SAV, you are smarter than the rabble (by rabble I mean sturg)
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
And somehow a few blasts from an "ion cannon" dissuaded Star Destroyers from barraging Rebel Transports. Or Jaws killing Stormtroopers with rocks. I could go on. You're attempting to logic pick a space Opera that never followed logic.
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