The Trump Presidency

Julio3000 said:
Tom Cotton is digging in what should be an attainable 60-vote DACA compromise bill. He's standing in the way of substantive debate by playing the "amnesty for millions" card.

But fwiw, I think his "morality" is somewhat as an issue, considering that he's willing to go on the Sunday shows and bull**** about the WH meeting (undercutting his colleagues) when there is substantial desire on both sides to see something done. It speaks to his lack of good-faith desire to see something done.

We all know who tanked comprehensive reform last time. They'll do it again if they're given space to. If you care about substantive debate, Tom Cotton and the Freedom Caucus in the House aren't your friends.
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Of course he's digging in.

He's posturing.

So is Durbin. And Pelosi and the rest.

But Cotton's bull**** somehow stinks the mostest, his position is inherently wrong, and something about the Freedom Caucus.

Alrighty then.
 
Hawk said:
Of course he's digging in.

He's posturing.

So is Durbin. And Pelosi and the rest

But Cotton's bull**** somehow stinks the mostest, his position is inherently wrong, and something about the Freedom Caucus.

Alrighty then.
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No ****.

JMO, but yeah, his type of bull**** stinks the most.

Why should we give a pass for saying ****ty things solely because "it's posturing?" If it's objectively untrue (and "amnesty for millions" is), it's ok to point THAT out, right?
 
Julio3000 said:
No ****.

JMO, but yeah, his type of bull**** stinks the most.

Why should we give a pass for saying ****ty things solely because "it's posturing?" If it's objectively untrue (and "amnesty for millions" is), it's ok to point THAT out, right?
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It's not objectively untrue, or ****ty - it's to be determined, and that's why both sides are playing the extremities.
 
I do find it predictably amusing that we're more comfortable meritlessly assailing Cotton's posture, but we're not OK challenging the pretense surrounding the "****hole" comments that Democrats are using in their own pearl clutching, race-baiting posture/charade.
 
mqt said:
How that'll "work out for them" in certain states would likely be how the voting would already go. Democrats are pretty ****ing united on DACA.

Edit: Accuracy and message notwithstanding.
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There are swing voters in both parties pus independent's. Those are the people political parties fight over and shutting down the government for illegals will rub a lot of people the wrong way. Both dems and repubs
 
thethe said:
There are swing voters in both parties pus independent's. Those are the people political parties fight over and shutting down the government for illegals will rub a lot of people the wrong way. Both dems and repubs
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Two things:

1) Support for the Dreamers is pretty high across the nation, so supporting them isn't necessarily a bad political move, regardless of one's opinions on the kids.

2) There's two sides to the coin. The Dems can say Cotton and his ilk are allowing a shutdown to happen simply because they won't do DACA legislation on its own.
 
mqt said:
Two things:

1) Support for the Dreamers is pretty high across the nation, so supporting them isn't necessarily a bad political move, regardless of one's opinions on the kids.

2) There's two sides to the coin. The Dems can say Cotton and his ilk are allowing a shutdown to happen simply because they won't do DACA legislation on its own.
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The Dems will not come back to the table if Daca is a clean bill and everyone knows that.
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nation-tracker-americans-weigh-in-on-trump-immigration-remarks-first-year-in-office/

So here is an example of why polls are intentionally fraudulent so that they may be used by the left to create a narrative. The numbers in this poll look awful for Trump. But, look into the details more.

Question 1: Which of these comes closest to your view of President Donald Trump?

a. I am a strong Trump supporter, period
b. I am a Trump supporter, but to keep my support, he has to deliver what I want
c. I am against Trump now, but could reconsider him if he does a good job
d. I am strongly against Trump, period

Who do they ask this question to? Lets see the split:

Men: 1,039
Women: 1,097

Thats good polling science. I believe women are more likely to vote than men nowadays so this should be presented this way. However, now it gets into the fraud part:

Democrats: 657 (34.34%)
Independents: 735 (38.44%)
Republicans: 520 (27.19%)

Total: 1912

Of course this is a recurring theme throughout the polling which includes the DACA questions. And this is how you get polls that say Hillary is going to win by 10 points and that an overwhelming percentage of Americans support DACA.
 
Scott Bixby
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Jan 12

A president paying $130,000 in hush money to a porn star

weeks before an election would be an administration-collapsing,

party-decimating scandal at any other time in our nation’s history

but so would have about twenty other things that have happened

in 2018 so far so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
thethe said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nation-tracker-americans-weigh-in-on-trump-immigration-remarks-first-year-in-office/

So here is an example of why polls are intentionally fraudulent so that they may be used by the left to create a narrative. The numbers in this poll look awful for Trump. But, look into the details more.

Question 1: Which of these comes closest to your view of President Donald Trump?

a. I am a strong Trump supporter, period

b. I am a Trump supporter, but to keep my support, he has to deliver what I want

c. I am against Trump now, but could reconsider him if he does a good job

d. I am strongly against Trump, period

Who do they ask this question to? Lets see the split:

Men: 1,039

Women: 1,097

Thats good polling science. I believe women are more likely to vote than men nowadays so this should be presented this way. However, now it gets into the fraud part:

Democrats: 657 (34.34%)

Independents: 735 (38.44%)

Republicans: 520 (27.19%)

Total: 1912

Of course this is a recurring theme throughout the polling which includes the DACA questions. And this is how you get polls that say Hillary is going to win by 10 points and that an overwhelming percentage of Americans support DACA.
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Not sure about the relative reliability of this poll, but it looks to me like it oversamples both parties relative to independents. The spread in party ID is pretty consistent with current polling on that issue.
 
Hawk said:
It's not objectively untrue, or ****ty - it's to be determined, and that's why both sides are playing the extremities.
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"Amnesty for millions" is a significant enough distortion in this context to be reasonably called objectively untrue.
 
Hawk said:
I do find it predictably amusing that we're more comfortable meritlessly assailing Cotton's posture, but we're not OK challenging the pretense surrounding the "****hole" comments that Democrats are using in their own pearl clutching, race-baiting posture/charade.
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No, I'd rather not play the game of calling Democrats out for posturing and gamesmanship while ignoring the rank nativism and outright racism that's in such evidence on the other side of the debate right now.
 
Hawk said:
I do find it predictably amusing that we're more comfortable meritlessly assailing Cotton's posture, but we're not OK challenging the pretense surrounding the "****hole" comments that Democrats are using in their own pearl clutching, race-baiting posture/charade.
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The latter is much more viable than the former, so the former merits more assailing. Simple as that.
 
Julio3000 said:
Not sure about the relative reliability of this poll, but it looks to me like it oversamples both parties relative to independents. The spread in party ID is pretty consistent with current polling on that issue.
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Current polling on that issue? Are you using the results of shorty polling to explain this poll?

How can it be justified? You're assuming there are more dems than Rs?
 
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