Russ2dollas
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Why would they do Santana for folty? That deal would be done
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Why would they do Santana for folty? That deal would be done
No clue, but I'd offer them their choice of he or Julio personally.
Understatement of the year so far.
Deester11
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Assuming you can even trade Teheran, if you're relying on Folty and unproven pitchers, the results would be maddening. JT is no ace but he is what he is:dependable and 180 innings a year guaranteed.
What difference does that make? The consensus around here is that AA has written off 2018 anyway.
You use the lesser pieces to get someone like Santana and Andujar, and use this season to get everybody's feet wet. The improved offense keeps you in some games. McCarthy serves as your veteran "glue-guy" as long as he's healthy. Folty's now had 65 big league starts - if you can't start to count on him now, you never will. If you feel like you need another veteran to go with the two of them and Gohara, you're already paying Kazmir. If you're not counting on him, go get Chris Tillman/Jeremy Hellickson or bring back Garcia to make 15 starts until you call Soroka and/or Allard up after the break.
Andujar starts the season at 3B, and you've got Camargo as your fallback if needed. Acuna comes up as soon as possible once you've gained the extra year of control so he gets enough ABs this year to get acclimated and he hits the ground running in 2019. Andujar will have had that much time as well. Gohara will have had over 30 starts at this level, and Soroka and Allard will have had 10 or so - so the butterflies will be taken care of. You could even see Wright in the second half.
If you're writing 2018 off, write it off - but use it to get the pieces you want to count on in 2019 ready rather than floundering around for another year. No one believes this team is a potential playoff team WITH one of Julio/Folty and Newcomb, so what difference does it make if they're here?
Deester11
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Consensus? I doubt it. Most of the intelligent posters don’t think it’s just easy to trade J.T. then spend money we don’t have on another veteran pitcher to do the same thing or less than Teheran. Maybe it’s just me but that’s not smart. Good luck thinking lesser pieces get you Santana/Andujar.
Southcack77
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You are right that it would not make sense to trade Teheran just to sign another journeyman rotation piece.
It is likely that if they trade Teheran they will either fill the spot from within or trade for a better starter. Most likely, just fill it from within.
You need to realize you are arguing with someone who thought Sale could be had for a package centered around Jenkins, and Odorizzi could be had for Matt Adams. Clv has consistently shown how clueless he is with player valuation.
You’re right about the cost to acquire Andujar or Santana...it isn’t happening with lesser pieces.
You were the one pointing out that we couldn't do without Julio's 180 innings with all the young Pitchers around. If you've written 2018 off, those innings mean nothing - what difference does it make if they come from Teheran or a mix of Fried/Sims/Soroka/Allard or any of the also-rans I mentioned?
Keeping Julio might keep you in a few more games in 2018 (might, that is, if they're away from SunTrust) than giving the young arms a chance to get their feet wet. Those few games just give you a lower draft pick - assuming the pen doesn't blow them.
I've always been one of Julio's biggest fans, but if trading him gets you 4+ years of control of a 30 HR bat that plays plus defense on a corner, I make that trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays with all the pitching we have that's so close to possibly making an impact. I get your point if he were someone like Archer, but he's just not that guy. If Teheran gets me Santana or Frazier, I'd have made that trade last week.
One of the few times I'd ever respond to you...
weren't you the one telling me what an "idiot" I was for proposing a Teheran for Santana deal a while back because you'd already ordained how much sense that would make???
For that matter, haven't you been proposing exactly that in the other thread???
Your stupidity never ceases to amaze. Here are the exact comments about Teheran and Santana:
To which I responded:
Nowhere did I say a trade with the Brewers was a bad idea. In fact, I said exactly the opposite...we have been discussing the trades for Brewer OFers for weeks/months.
Unsurprisingly you have no idea what you’re talking about...again.
And no, the Braves aren’t getting a player like Andujar for “lesser parts”, just like they weren’t getting Odorizzi for MAdams.
Now get some sleep before the open house at the trailer park tomorrow. You need your sleep old man...you’re not only clueless...you’re also getting senile.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
he was a 3 WAR guy. He has 4 more years of control. I have to assume he's going to cost at least 50% of Yelich. Probably 75% of him at least. 3 WAR guy with power.
The Brewers guy you might get for leftovers is maybe Phillips. If you see him as a potential elite defender in LF or RF and you think he'll make enough contact. Not a star but maybe a platoon partner and a guy who can back up CF if needed. Maybe you pair him with Tucker.
bravesfanforlife88
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Brewers have made an offer for Yelich. No word on who they offered. But apparently the Fish are still discussing with a few teams
Southcack77
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The Brewers actually make sense as a team that would be trying to put the finishing touches on a contending roster. And Yelich would be a great fit for their payroll.
I'm sure that the Marlins are asking for Brinson and i think I'd probably do that in their position.
I'm sure that the Marlins are asking for Brinson and i think I'd probably do that in their position.
msstate7
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How does Brinson compare to acuna rating wise?
Brinson is a very good ball player and will probably be a multiple All-Star game type player but Acuna has HOF "potential"
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Brinson is 24. He’s got to be a similar rank to wright.
I think braves can do the better package. But brewers can do three top 50 guys if they wNt in the 2b brinson and a pitcher.
If the brewers go in maybe we can get some excess guys for pitching
UNCBlue012
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I'm guessing they'll land Darvish or Arietta and simply hope to grab Yelich in the process.
The NL Central is stacked, but they'd have a legit roster if they could add those two.
Of course, so would Atlanta...
#WishfulThinking #LosingIsGettingOldGuys #ProbablyTooQuickToPullTheTrigger