The Trump Presidency

thethe said:
A plan has been proposed by the white house that has been rejected by democratic leadersip. So what's the counter?
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thethe, you really should go to work for Trump in the WH. You are at least as qualified as anyone they have left.

You get Trump to wear a make the Atlanta Braves Great Again hat and I'll consider joining the death cult.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Also, folks should check out the Netflix documentary on Trump. The most recent installment in the Dirty Money series.

What a complete fraud he is.
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But a clever one. He may not know anything about government or The Constitution, but he is an expert on screwing people out of their money. My favorite trick**** of his is how he often gave contractors an incorrect company name to muddy the waters come billing time. I guess he did it out of pure meanness because he didn't need the money. Just screw people over for the hell of it.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I suspect we will find out soon. That Stephen Miller was purportedly behind it is warning sign No. 1. If they don't have a counter, then yes, that's going to look awful on them because we'll be right back to where we were with shutdown politics.

Trump wanted a deal. Senators from both parties brought him a deal he was eager to hear. The far right flipped out. And they're flipping out now at this "incredibly generous" proposal. That tells you something.
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Trump is proposing a centrist proposal. I think we should all be encouraged at his willingness to come to a bipartisan solutuon. I shutter at the fact that this proposal wasn't enough for Democratic leadership.
 
thethe said:
Trump is proposing a centrist proposal. I think we should all be encouraged at his willingness to come to a bipartisan solutuon. I shutter at the fact that this proposal wasn't enough for Democratic leadership.
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Are you really shuttering? If so, breathe deeply and lay off the coffee.

What's the hurry? It's Sunday and they've got a few weeks left to haggle.
 
thethe said:
Trump is proposing a centrist proposal. I think we should all be encouraged at his willingness to come to a bipartisan solutuon. I shutter at the fact that this proposal wasn't enough for Democratic leadership.
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Doesn't read like a "centrist proposal to me" but maybe the middle has moved.

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Democrats do not take seriously a proposal that offers a path to citizenship for 1.8 million Dreamers in exchange for the most far-reaching restrictions on legal immigration in 100 years. While the Gang of Six proposal reached by Sens. Lindsey Graham, Dick Durbin, and others would prohibit newly legalized Dreamers from sponsoring their parents (but still would have offered those parents renewable legal status), the White House framework would limit all family sponsorships to just spouses and minor children. In other words, sponsorships for parents, siblings, and adult children would be eliminated. The framework doesn’t say that those visas would be redistributed to another category, either, meaning there would just be vast legal immigration cuts. This isn’t a “DACA deal.” It’s a hawkish overhaul of the American immigration system with a small section devoted to Dreamers—or as the Dreamers’ rights group United We Dream called it, “a white supremacist ransom note.”
 
Runnin said:
Doesn't read like a "centrist proposal to me" but maybe the middle has moved.

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Democrats do not take seriously a proposal that offers a path to citizenship for 1.8 million Dreamers in exchange for the most far-reaching restrictions on legal immigration in 100 years. While the Gang of Six proposal reached by Sens. Lindsey Graham, Dick Durbin, and others would prohibit newly legalized Dreamers from sponsoring their parents (but still would have offered those parents renewable legal status), the White House framework would limit all family sponsorships to just spouses and minor children. In other words, sponsorships for parents, siblings, and adult children would be eliminated. The framework doesn’t say that those visas would be redistributed to another category, either, meaning there would just be vast legal immigration cuts. This isn’t a “DACA deal.” It’s a hawkish overhaul of the American immigration system with a small section devoted to Dreamers—or as the Dreamers’ rights group United We Dream called it, “a white supremacist ransom note.”
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All the parties involved have their maximal positions. It seems to me there is room for a mature serious negotiation on border security and immigration law here that leaves no one perfectly satisfied but produces a reasonable outcome.
 
Runnin said:
Doesn't read like a "centrist proposal to me" but maybe the middle has moved.

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Democrats do not take seriously a proposal that offers a path to citizenship for 1.8 million Dreamers in exchange for the most far-reaching restrictions on legal immigration in 100 years. While the Gang of Six proposal reached by Sens. Lindsey Graham, Dick Durbin, and others would prohibit newly legalized Dreamers from sponsoring their parents (but still would have offered those parents renewable legal status), the White House framework would limit all family sponsorships to just spouses and minor children. In other words, sponsorships for parents, siblings, and adult children would be eliminated. The framework doesn’t say that those visas would be redistributed to another category, either, meaning there would just be vast legal immigration cuts. This isn’t a “DACA deal.” It’s a hawkish overhaul of the American immigration system with a small section devoted to Dreamers—or as the Dreamers’ rights group United We Dream called it, “a white supremacist ransom note.”
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Pathway to citizenship is not even enough anynore. It's the democratic party that has radicalized.
 
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thethe said:
Pathway to citizenship is not even enough anynore. It's the democratic party that has radicalized.
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I think the family reunification is an issue a lot of people have with this proposal. After we came to this country and became citizens, my mother was able to sponsor my then 80 year old grandmother to come here and she was able to spend the rest of her life with the family she loved. Sure the country bore some costs associated with that. But if you stack that up against the taxes her children and grandchildren have paid, there is no comparison. Not to mention the businesses we have started and Americans we have hired to work in them.
 
thethe said:
Trump is proposing a centrist proposal. I think we should all be encouraged at his willingness to come to a bipartisan solutuon. I shutter at the fact that this proposal wasn't enough for Democratic leadership.
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It's really not a centrist proposal, as currently constituted.
 
Lindsay Graham seems to be seizing the moment. 2nd time in a little over a week that he's posed for cameras as the last Rep adult left in Washington.
 
nsacpi said:
I think the family reunification is an issue a lot of people have with this proposal. After we came to this country and became citizens, my mother was able to sponsor my then 80 year old grandmother to come here and she was able to spend the rest of her life with the family she loved. Sure the country bore some costs associated with that. But if you stack that up against the taxes her children and grandchildren have paid, there is no comparison. Not to mention the businesses we have started and Americans we have hired to work in them.
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This. Dealt with that on both sides of my family too.
 
So who gets the credit for this surge? Most voters say President Obama — and, sure, he gets some because corporate balance sheets were healthy when Mr. Trump entered office. But there are several holes in this theory. For one, the economy was decelerating at the end of the Obama presidency, with the annual growth rate falling to an anemic 1.6 percent in 2016, and many economists warned of a recession.
 
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