Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

Hawk said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if we're looking at an investigatory timeline Page's FISA surveillance would've commenced before the FBI questioned Papadopoulos. Are you saying that you believe 'the information' about Papadopoulos (which didn't provide any "evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy" -- per the memo) helped substantiate the request, or are you referring to something else?
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"5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok."

Papadopoulos had not been questioned, but the investigation had begun several months prior to the Page FISA app.

The information that the FBI had begun a counterintelligence investigation re Papadopoulos being subject to approach by Russian intelligence, based on the Australian diplomat's disclosure, would potentially have some value in underpinning the request for surveillance on Page, particularly given that he was already a known target of Russian recruitment.

The point is that the value of that information may be debatable, but it neither speaks to any wrongdoing nor suggests that the Papadopoulos investigation was affected one way or the other by the Page matter.
 
Hawk said:
Access to who? The real inner circle?
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Access to Jeff Sessions, Corey Lewandowski, Paul Manafort? Of course. Papadopoulos worked on Trump's foreign policy speeches and did outreach (to poor effect, reportedly) with senior officials in foreign governments.

There's got to be some reasonable middle ground between "inner circle" and "coffee boy."
 
Julio3000 said:
Access to Jeff Sessions, Corey Lewandowski, Paul Manafort? Of course. Papadopoulos worked on Trump's foreign policy speeches and did outreach (to poor effect, reportedly) with senior officials in foreign governments.

There's got to be some reasonable middle ground between "inner circle" and "coffee boy."
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I'm fine wit dat.
 
Julio3000 said:
Access to Jeff Sessions, Corey Lewandowski, Paul Manafort? Of course. Papadopoulos worked on Trump's foreign policy speeches and did outreach (to poor effect, reportedly) with senior officials in foreign governments.

There's got to be some reasonable middle ground between "inner circle" and "coffee boy."
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Yea I mean the campaign manager clearly wasn't that close to the candidate.
 
I took out the asterisks.

50/ Moreover, Steele ultimately got his Dossier to Comey—and the mere fact that Comey hadn't already seen it confirms that it was being kept from him by some rank-and-files.

Let me repeat: the facts in the memo underscore a pro-Trump plot at the FBI among some rogue agents.

51/ The content of the Steele Dossier—beginning on Page 1—was so explosive that the fact that it didn't get to the Director of the FBI for six months is proof that Chris Steele is a very, very good spy: he correctly sussed out a rogue-agent FBI conspiracy months in advance.

52/ That pro-Trump conspiracy among some rank-and-file agents—rogue agents—in the New York field office of the FBI was confirmed when, immediately before the election, those agents told the New York Times that the FBI had nothing on Trump. When in fact they had the Dossier.
 
Hawk said:
Even when I try, I just ... can't.
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Idk that there was a plot. He'll need more than that. But you tell me why Rudy was on Fox and Friends saying there was a big surprise coming three days before Comey sent the letter to Congress and has largely disappeared.

My biggest point here is there is zero real evidence of any kind of pro-Clinton conspiracy as has been the play from people the past several months because they're scared of ****less of what Mueller might know.
 
Julio3000 said:
"5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok."

Papadopoulos had not been questioned, but the investigation had begun several months prior to the Page FISA app.

The information that the FBI had begun a counterintelligence investigation re Papadopoulos being subject to approach by Russian intelligence, based on the Australian diplomat's disclosure, would potentially have some value in underpinning the request for surveillance on Page, particularly given that he was already a known target of Russian recruitment.

The point is that the value of that information may be debatable, but it neither speaks to any wrongdoing nor suggests that the Papadopoulos investigation was affected one way or the other by the Page matter.
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What was the evidence that prompted the investigation? Information from the Aussie diplomat?
 
sturg33 said:
Dont think it's related at all to this stuff.

Then year bond approaching 3% seems to be the market scare.

Hoping for a bigger pull back so I can get more money in cheaper
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That, and lingering selloffs related to the Amazon/BRK/JPM healthcare initiative. The market does hate political instability though.
 
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