Mets Signing Frazier while Andropolus fiddles

thewupk said:
WOBA and OPS are the best indicators of runs scored for a team. Who knew?
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I was honestly surprised at how well OPP correlates. Considering how easy it is to calculate, it makes me not want to even bother with wOBA when talking in generalities.
 
Enscheff said:
I was honestly surprised at how well OPP correlates. Considering how easy it is to calculate, it makes me not want to even bother with wOBA when talking in generalities.
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Yeah. OPS is good for a general lookup. It does undervalue OBP but I think the severity of it is dependent on the scoring environment.
 
thewupk said:
He wouldn't have signed with Atlanta for that amount However if the Braves offered him 2/30 or 3/45 he would be here too. I don't think any of those offers were out there.
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right, so my point that he took less to stay in NY than he would have elsewhere seems like common sense.
 
Super said:
right, so my point that he took less to stay in NY than he would have elsewhere seems like common sense.
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All offers being equal he was going to stay in New York. He signed for as little as he did because he didn't have a market.
 
thewupk said:
All offers being equal he was going to stay in New York. He signed for as little as he did because he didn't have a market.
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i really don't understand the need to split hairs.
of course the market suppressed his overall money.
but if he likely wouldn't have signed for 2/17 anywhere besides NY, then he was willing to take a discount to stay there. we don't know if he turned down offers for 2/20 or what have you. but his known, strong preference to stay in NY allowed the NY teams to undercut his already down value. lordy!
 
Super said:
i really don't understand the need to split hairs.

of course the market suppressed his overall money.

but if he likely wouldn't have signed for 2/17 anywhere besides NY, then he was willing to take a discount to stay there. we don't know if he turned down offers for 2/20 or what have you. but his known, strong preference to stay in NY allowed the NY teams to undercut his already down value. lordy!
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Sure. I think the initial assertion that AA or anyone else from the OP dropped the ball but not signing Frazier to such a deal is off base. That type of deal wasn't available to most teams. However I think if a team offered more then he would of signed somewhere else. In either case I don't think the Braves have the money to even offer him what the Mets did.
 
Miggle
3:30 What would Moustakas’ price have to fall to in order to get the Braves to bite?
Steve Adams
3:31 Well they just let Frazier go to a division rival for $17MM -- so probably even less than that. I don't see it.

It's silly to say the Braves won't sign Mous unless his cost drops to that of Frazier (he represents better value even at a higher contract value), but Mr. Adams agrees with the general premise that the Braves can't afford much.
 
rico43 said:
The do-nothing attitude of the Braves have now cost them Todd Frazier. Reported by Ken Rosenthal that he gets two years, $17 million from Mets pending physical.

One of my closest friends (and biggest sports fans) says that this is the first spring since he was a kid that he gets absolutely to buzz about the Braves starting spring training. I am about there with him. This boring and no fun; I wish I felt they actually had a strategy besides A.A. taking his sweet time learning who's who in the farm system.'
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Whatever man... I'm super glad we didn't waste money on Frazier. There is nothing attractive out there we need man. You're just wanting to make a deal to make a deal... simply because you're bored. That's terrible business when there's not much chance to compete and we can't even get rid of Markakis to actually upgrade. If we can't compete why not play Camargo for at least half a year to see what we have? Just so you won't be bored?
 
Super said:
i really don't understand the need to split hairs.
of course the market suppressed his overall money.
but if he likely wouldn't have signed for 2/17 anywhere besides NY, then he was willing to take a discount to stay there. we don't know if he turned down offers for 2/20 or what have you. but his known, strong preference to stay in NY allowed the NY teams to undercut his already down value. lordy!
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Easy. The pea brain can't comprehend any contract signed without deference to surplus value.
 
Enscheff said:
I think it was pretty clear I was talking about newly signed FAs from outside the organization.

Teams routinely get discounts from players who have been with the organization their entire career.

My apologies for assuming this distinction was obvious. Clearly, it was more complicated than I initially thought. Thank you for bringing to light my error in judging the overall intelligence of posters like you.
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See, this is why you have no friends.
 
Just like all the why didn't we sign Weiters talk went away, I think all the why didn't we sign Frazier or Mous chatter will go away when Camargo provides us a better value. Actually I just want Camargo out there so I can see him throw. If I were manager I might stick him out in RF sometimes, also just to see him throw.
 
I like Frazier a whole lot. BUT given our window to start succeeding odds are he would be near the end of his contract at that point, and who really cares?

If we were to have made a move for Frazier it would have 2 years ago via trade when we witnessed one of the players we gave the Dodgers used as a key part in that particular trade. THen sign him to a relatively team friendly deal and that's the only way you do it.

I'd rather make a play on Donaldson, maybe if Toronto is looking to sell offer some small parts for him and then work on extending him for 3 years or so. Like Frazier he's got age and declining health as risks, but unlike Frazier he's a difference maker. He isn't just a glove with some pop, he's a glove with a whole lot of pop and the perfect pairing for Freeman.
 
Super said:
i really don't understand the need to split hairs.
of course the market suppressed his overall money.
but if he likely wouldn't have signed for 2/17 anywhere besides NY, then he was willing to take a discount to stay there. we don't know if he turned down offers for 2/20 or what have you. but his known, strong preference to stay in NY allowed the NY teams to undercut his already down value. lordy!
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Well it's important to remember he grew up in Toms River, he probably grew up a Yankee or Met fan so I'm sure he's loving the fact that he lives real close to his family now.
 
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