Around the League: 2017 offseason edition / 2018 Season

I suppose it was inevitable that the recent Rays moves would get the “let’s trade for Archer!” chatter going again.

It was nice to have a break from those “ideas” for a while haha.
 
Enscheff said:
The DBacks just acquired Souza, and gave up:

Drury (1 win bench IFer)

Banda (FV 50 LHP)

Weidner (fungible pitching prospect)

2 PtbNLs

Seems like a huge price to pay for Souza just because they lost out on JDM.

Rays and Yanks made out well here I think.
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Souza is fresh off a 4 WAR season. Plays good defense, knows how to take a walk, and has very good power (which should only increase in AZ) and has another 3 years of control.

Seems like a friggin steal for the D-Backs. They gave up a fringe starting infielder, a pitcher with potential but coming off a down season, another mediocre pitching prospect and a PTBNL.
 
Carp said:
Souza is fresh off a 4 WAR season. Plays good defense, knows how to take a walk, and has very good power (which should only increase in AZ) and has another 3 years of control.

Seems like a friggin steal for the D-Backs. They gave up a fringe starting infielder, a pitcher with potential but coming off a down season, another mediocre pitching prospect and a PTBNL.
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I’m willing to bet we just saw Souza’s career season, and he will be closer to an average 2 win guy than a 4 win star.

I go to a few games a year here in Reno, and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that all offensive numbers posted in that park are essentially meaningless. The elevation is 4500’, and the wind is constantly blowing off the Sierra Nevada mountains straight out to RF. Banda is a legit #4 that is MLB ready and possibly represents the best player in this deal...under control for 6 more years.
 
Enscheff said:
I’m willing to bet we just saw Souza’s career season, and he will be closer to an average 2 win guy than a 4 win star.
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Any time you see a 28 year old put up 4x as much value as his previous career high, you have to be a little skeptical of his sustainability.
 
Enscheff said:
I’m willing to bet we just saw Souza’s career season, and he will be closer to an average 2 win guy than a 4 win star.

I go to a few games a year here in Reno, and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that all offensive numbers posted in that park are essentially meaningless. The elevation is 4500’, and the wind is constantly blowing off the Sierra Nevada mountains straight out to RF. Banda is a legit #4 that is MLB ready and possibly represents the best player in this deal...under control for 6 more years.
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His power is legit and should. And his defense in RF, while not amazing, has graded out pretty well over his career. Also brings some value on the base paths. The real question is whether or not he can maintain his surge in BB. If he can, then I think he's a legit 3-4 win player as long as he stays healthy and his defense doesn't regress. If not, then you're right, he's probably only 1-2 win player.
 
Carp said:
His power is legit and should. And his defense in RF, while not amazing, has graded out pretty well over his career. Also brings some value on the base paths. The real question is whether or not he can maintain his surge in BB. If he can, then I think he's a legit 3-4 win player as long as he stays healthy and his defense doesn't regress. If not, then you're right, he's probably only 1-2 win player.
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Souza did increase his launch angle last year which likely helped the boost in offense. Whether that can be sustained or not remains to be seen.
 
Carp said:
His power is legit and should. And his defense in RF, while not amazing, has graded out pretty well over his career. Also brings some value on the base paths. The real question is whether or not he can maintain his surge in BB. If he can, then I think he's a legit 3-4 win player as long as he stays healthy and his defense doesn't regress. If not, then you're right, he's probably only 1-2 win player.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I think he is a good player and would be a clear upgrade for the Braves. Of the Souza/Dickerson/Renfroe OF trio we've been discussing lately, Souza is by far the OF I would prefer.

I just want the Braves to aim higher for LF in 2019+. By the looks of Souza's acquisition cost, he would have been THE move to address the OF...and I think the Braves have the resources to do better.
 
salmagundy said:
The often mentioned Maybin is no longer available. He has signed with the Fish.
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It will be interesting to see the terms of the latest contract the Braves couldn't afford for a player who represents an upgrade to the 2018 roster.

Edit: He will make $3.25M plus incentives in 2018 on a 1 year deal. Seems a fair price for a 4th OFer that can start for stretches of time.
 
O's sign Colby Rasmus to a minor league deal. I'm going to assume that officially closes the book on any hope the O's would take Markakis, and means he will be in a Braves uniform in 2018.
 
Enscheff said:
O's sign Colby Rasmus to a minor league deal. I'm going to assume that officially closes the book on any hope the O's would take Markakis, and means he will be in a Braves uniform in 2018.
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Most likely. I have doubted all offseason we'd be able to move him unless it was to the O's or in some bad contract swap.

Still, this is a minor league contract for Rasmus, so theoretically they could still be a fit.
 
Carp said:
Most likely. I have doubted all offseason we'd be able to move him unless it was to the O's or in some bad contract swap.

Still, this is a minor league contract for Rasmus, so theoretically they could still be a fit.
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Meh. Markakis will be the one getting a minor league contract next year from the O's.
 
11 mill isn’t much in today’s dollar. I think we will trade him at the deadline to a contender and pay his salary just to clear a roster spot. He could prove a valuable player to a playoff team. Someone to pinch hit or spot start.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
11 mill isn’t much in today’s dollar. I think we will trade him at the deadline to a contender and pay his salary just to clear a roster spot. He could prove a valuable player to a playoff team. Someone to pinch hit or spot start.
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Sadly 11 million is a lot for what Nick bring to the table in todays market.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
11 mill isn’t much in today’s dollar. I think we will trade him at the deadline to a contender and pay his salary just to clear a roster spot. He could prove a valuable player to a playoff team. Someone to pinch hit or spot start.
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Maybin just signed for $3M with a team that has zero playoff aspirations. That's probably a good comp for Nick's value right now.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
11 mill isn’t much in today’s dollar. I think we will trade him at the deadline to a contender and pay his salary just to clear a roster spot. He could prove a valuable player to a playoff team. Someone to pinch hit or spot start.
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No way we trade him at the break, we will be 4-5 games up
 
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