Parkland School Shooting
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Indeed. Polling is subjective though and who knows if people are even telling the truth. The secret Trump voters for example was a real thing. Baseball data, for the most part, is hard fact.
chop2chip
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That's a great question. I would love for there to be a real debate on this topic without the conversation derailing into an 18th century retrospective on the plight of the freed man.
chop2chip
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Classic black swan fallacy.
Though I disagree with general assertion that statistics is a measure of hard data only. Measurement and modeling errors are ubiqitious.
To discount that any civilization can take a turn for the worst is crazy to me.
chop2chip
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Me five minutes ago...
I'm simply advocating that its possible to restrict certain type of gun ownership and still champion second amendment rights. I've never understood how this issue turned black and white.
The models and measurement can be wrong, sure. However it's still all based on things that actually happen. There is really no guess work there. Polls are a different animal.
There is a way but it takes sensible people to be able to push that through. That's not what our government is about though.
Semi automatic rifles in any capacity should not be restricted. That's is a line in the sand for me.
I'm even for permitting automatic rifles with extremely strict regulation. I don't rely on others for my safety.
chop2chip
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Polls have also been shown to be historically very accurate with no clear trend of long-term bias towards either Democrats or Republicans, despite the occasional instance of short-term bias. If the bias is random and the prediction accuracy is high, what you have is likely a really good model.
So like I said, the 2016 election is blackest of all black swans.
bravesnumberone
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You leftist. You can never know...
There is a reason 2016 ended up like that.
That is actually a machine of war but one that I think responsible people should get to own.
chop2chip
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Looking back, yes, I think we can reasonably describe why the polls underestimated Trump.
It seems silly to me though to assume all polls are wrong / biased because of that one year.
bravesnumberone
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-ar-15-inventor-speaks-out-n593356
Still waiting on someone to tell me why these types of weapons are necessary to be available to civilians.
As thethe has informed us, the conservative military with the massive budget will stop any globalist/leftist/communist/socialist/dictator president and his or her henchmen from getting us.
Still waiting on someone to tell me why these types of weapons are necessary to be available to civilians.
As thethe has informed us, the conservative military with the massive budget will stop any globalist/leftist/communist/socialist/dictator president and his or her henchmen from getting us.
cajunrevenge
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People are hesitant to give any ground because it wont stop there. I think a lot of people would be open to compromise on things like the AR-15 but they know that wont be the end of it no matter how much they promise.
There is intentional oversampling of segments of the population. I'm sorry but the integrity of media/polling agencies on both side is in the toilet.
Until someone like Obama wins again and pushes for tyranny.
chop2chip
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Its a weird dichotomy in the Republican party that suggests we should invest heavily in a state military, yet we should stop at nothing to protect our right to arm ourselves to defend against tyranny of the state.
Intuitively, I guess I understand the rationale, but seems rather inconsistent.
Intuitively, I guess I understand the rationale, but seems rather inconsistent.