Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

thethe said:
I always find it amusing that people conflate nazi with right wing. It's was an authoritarian regime that held all the power in the state. It's ultimately the evoLuton of what we are seeing on the progressive left. These silly white people are just pandering to people of color and non heterosexual orientation to assume power. Power to the state is the enemy and the movement across the western world is a direct threat to that.
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I didn't conflate the two...just giving you her background...she was horrified when she read her grandfather's diaries...although I will say she is an anti-semite...she would deny it but I think she is...just want you to have an understanding of my "source"
 
Runnin said:
You're right. That is funny.
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Throw out the dossier and you have no FISA warrants. You got suckered into Russian propoganda. It's OK to finally admit it.

Maybe Mueller will get trump on jaywalking 30 years ago. THIS IS BIG!
 
thethe said:
Son why bring it up as a point to counter my statement of the source being partisian?
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it is an interesting part of background...i mentioned way back her father was a high ranking intelligence officer...this is a discussion board...so to have a friend who sees and hears information that is no available to the rest of us, it is worth doing a few posts on her background...she was not reflexively anti trump...i was anti Trump way before she was
 
nsacpi said:
it is an interesting part of background...i mentioned way back her father was a high ranking intelligence officer...this is a discussion board...so to have a friend who sees and hears information that is no available to the rest of us, it is worth doing a few posts on her background...she was not reflexively anti trump...i was anti Trump way before she was
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I agree that it's interesting. I just question the timing of the factoid. Either way I'll assume your intentions were pure in that response from this point forward.

Now about that innocuous German smackdown of trump....that hasn't turned out well thus far.
 
thethe said:
I agree that it's interesting. I just question the timing of the factoid. Either way I'll assume your intentions were pure in that response from this point forward.

Now about that innocuous German smackdown of trump....that hasn't turned out well thus far.
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the stuff from Deutsche?...i think it formed the basis for the subpoena of Trump Organization records
 
thethe said:
What do you then expect to come out of the search?
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I think what Mueller is looking at here is whether before he became a candidate Trump developed a financial dependency on Russians that contributed to his receptivity to certain Russian friendly political stances...not a crime necessarily

there may also be evidence of financial crimes that have nothing to do with collusion...Trumps so-called red line
 
I'll say this about the above...there something in plain sight that I would like to understand...which is why Trump is never perturbed by all the awful stuff the Russians do...there is almost a familial relationship
 
nsacpi said:
I'll say this about the above...there something in plain sight that I would like to understand...which is why Trump is never perturbed by all the awful stuff the Russians do...there is almost a familial relationship
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Not saying the Russians don't do anything but do we ever know if anything in this world is 100%. Many actors have a lot to gain by framing russia. Now I think that's a very small chance of what transpired but I don't see it as an impossibility.
 
thethe said:
Throw out the dossier and you have no FISA warrants. You got suckered into Russian propoganda. It's OK to finally admit it.
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"The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016"
 
CK86 said:
"The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016"
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doesn't matter how many times you tell thethe that

he doesn't believe that to be true
 
thethe said:
No dossier no warant

-Andrew mccabe
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There would have been another "dossier". Team Trump's missteps have been many and in plain sight. Without the Russia election scandal there have been many others to choose from. A scandal plagued Trump administration was about the only sure bet.
 
Julio3000 said:
You're going to have to explain to me how none of the counterintelligence investigation would exist without the FISA warrant for Carter Page.
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That's not what I said.

It would have existed. But I do find it funny that the POI for tbe Genesis of the investigation has yet to be charged with anything. It's almost as if they used a false pretense to create an environment where a dossier can be introduced to justify illegal spying. So convenient.
 
thethe said:
That's not what I said.

It would have existed. But I do find it funny that the POI for tbe Genesis of the investigation has yet to be charged with anything. It's almost as if they used a false pretense to create an environment where a dossier can be introduced to justify illegal spying. So convenient.
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I can't say one way or the other if Carter Page is going to face legal jeopardy, but you have to consider that the fact that he hasn't been criminally charged at this time means ****-all as to whether he was working, wittingly or unwittingly, as a Russian agent.
 
Julio3000 said:
I can't say one way or the other if Carter Page is going to face legal jeopardy, but you have to consider that the fact that he hasn't been criminally charged at this time means ****-all as to whether he was working, wittingly or unwittingly, as a Russian agent.
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They've watched him since 2013 and haven't charged him yet? Come on Julio. What are they waiting for?
 
thethe said:
They've watched him since 2013 and haven't charged him yet? Come on Julio. What are they waiting for?
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They haven't watched him since 2013.

I can't say if he is or isn't what FBI counterintelligence suspected him of being. I can say that the lack of a charge right now isn't clear-cut exculpatory information. Here are some reasons why...

-it's possible he has been cooperating for some months, in the manner of Papa, and the public is not aware
-it's possible that there are sealed indictments with his name on them
-espionage cases often do not end in prosecution, and counterintelligence operations are more about determining means and methods and vulnerabilities and less about criminal indictments

Like I said, it's hard to know what to make of his case, but I think it's premature to say right now that he's clean. And, in general, the way this thing has unfolded, I think you'd have learned by now that "this is bogus because X hasn't happened yet" is probably a limb you don't want to go any further out on.
 
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