GDT: 3/29/18 - Atlanta Braves vs. Philthies (ITS OPENING DAYYYYY)

nsacpi said:
I suspect Nola would have been left in to face Freeman if he had gotten both Inciarte and Albies. Having given up the double to Inciarte I think this is one of those close calls that a manager can go either way on.
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Yea, the leadoff double by Inciarte was key there or else Nola is still pitching.
 
chop2chip said:
That and the last four innings of games are going take two hours to play.
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I watch, maybe, ten complete games a year these days, so I personally don't really mind if they take five hours to play. But yea, pitching changes add to the pace-of-play issue a lot more than strategic mound visits, that's for sure.
 
thethe said:
One double tells you that? Do the previous 5 innings mean anything?
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For me it’s the equivalent of an NBA coach being allowed to call a timeout and call a play on each possession. Yes it would improve efficiency, but it completely kills the flow of the game.
 
jpx7 said:
Again, not watching, but I assume that was an extraordinarily professional ground-out from Markakis.
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Oh yea definitely...

They had the shift on and the 3B was literally playing 5/6 hole...and he hit it right to him.
 
jpx7 said:
Yea, I understand the numbers behind the whole "third time through" thing; but if you never let a pitcher try, you'll never know which pitchers are the exceptions you can count on to save your bullpen.
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This is true and the Phillies did try that last year. In 2017 Nola had 44 innings of the 3rd time through the order with a 5.32 era. Compared to 60 innings through the order 1 and 2 times with a 2.85 and 2.34 respectively.
 
thewupk said:
This is true and the Phillies did try that last year. In 2017 Nola had 44 innings of the 3rd time through the order with a 5.32 era. Compared to 60 innings through the order 1 and 2 times with a 2.85 and 2.34 respectively.
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Yea buts it’s opening day and he’s arguably your ace...let him work...
 
chop2chip said:
For me it’s the equivalent of an NBA coach being allowed to call a timeout and call a play on each possession. Yes it would improve efficiency, but it completely kills the flow of the game.
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That's why teams are given a limited allotment of timeouts. The question is whether MLB is willing to similarly circumscribe the number of non-injury pitching changes within a given nine innings. Personally, I find that idea a lot more palatable than this proposed scheme of starting extra innings with runners on second-base.
 
thewupk said:
This is true and the Phillies did try that last year. In 2017 Nola had 44 innings of the 3rd time through the order with a 5.32 era. Compared to 60 innings through the order 1 and 2 times with a 2.85 and 2.34 respectively.
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Fair—though I guess I would rebut by saying that they're not winning anything this year, either, so they may as well use this season to enlarge that data-set beyond 100 IP. But, given their FA activity, they may believe this season's games have greater import than I'm predicting.
 
jpx7 said:
That's why teams are given a limited allotment of timeouts. The question is whether MLB is willing to similarly circumscribe the number of non-injury pitching changes within a given nine innings. Personally, I find that idea a lot more palatable than this proposed scheme of starting extra innings with runners on second-base.
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I hope not. The name of the game is to win games. And teams will utilize whatever they can to accomplish. Purists who complain about the pace of the game and the amount of strikeouts need to get over themselves. Teams figure out what wins and that's what matters.
 
jpx7 said:
Fair—though I guess I would rebut by saying that they're not winning anything this year, either, so they may as well use this season to enlarge that data-set beyond 100 IP. But, given their FA activity, they may believe this season's games have greater import than I'm predicting.
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I think the data generally on third time through the order is sufficiently compelling that there is not much point letting a starter continue unless it is a low leverage situation or you have a horse who has proven himself to be an exception.
 
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