Tehearn Thread

salmagundy said:
I have said from the day Hernandez was hired that he would set Braves pitching in a state of regression. His resume dictates that. In 2+ decades of coaching, he has had only one year of "good" results.. That year was when some young kid came to the leagues and pitched on talent alone. Verlander apparently leaned early the Hernandez didn't know what he was talking about.
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And here we are. I don't even think posters are dogging him. It's the results and combined with Suntrust park, all my seats will be in the outfield to get souvenirs for the family.
 
There's nothing to do with Teheran except allow him to be a back end starter until his contract expires. They will be paying him $11M to be a 1 win SP in 2019, then can decline his 2020 option or pick it up instead of signing some other stop gap SP.

The time to trade him is long past, and if teams weren't willing to meet the Braves' asking price then, they aren't going to give anything of value now. His stuff has been declining every year since he entered MLB, which is what usually happens with pitchers.
 
So much blame directed at the pitching coach for this performance. Hernandez is not the answer, to be sure, but Teheran was erratic before he reached the majors.

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Knucksie said:
So much blame directed at the pitching coach for this performance. Hernandez is not the answer, to be sure, but Teheran was erratic before he reached the majors.

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Everyone has literally ripped Julio. But yes, the pitching coach stinks.
 
Deester11 said:
I've never been a pitchfork, trade Teheran guy. Still not. However, I think the guy who could iron out his deficiencies and minimize the terrible way he's pitching now is not our current pitching coach. I fear that younger pitchers will follow the same fate under Hernandez.
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Agreed. We need a new pitching coach ASAP IMO.
 
salmagundy said:
I have said from the day Hernandez was hired that he would set Braves pitching in a state of regression. His resume dictates that. In 2+ decades of coaching, he has had only one year of "good" results.. That year was when some young kid came to the leagues and pitched on talent alone. Verlander apparently leaned early the Hernandez didn't know what he was talking about.
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Yea, I am more concerned about how he's effecting our young guns than Teheran.
 
Deester11 said:
Everyone has literally ripped Julio. But yes, the pitching coach stinks.
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Point is that there was all this "#1 starter" hype behind him coming up that no pitching coach was going to help realize. He'd likely still generate some trade interest with that contract.
 
Knucksie said:
Point is that there was all this "#1 starter" hype behind him coming up that no pitching coach was going to help realize. He'd likely still generate some trade interest with that contract.
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Yeah he may be a 4/5 instead of the 1/2 that we'd all hoped, but he's still cheap.
 
Knucksie said:
Point is that there was all this "#1 starter" hype behind him coming up that no pitching coach was going to help realize. He'd likely still generate some trade interest with that contract.
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Despite the lofty hype placed on him, he has been a good pitcher for his Atlanta career. At one time quotes such as, "For the most part, this guy has been one of the best pitchers in baseball because of the command he has and then that swing and miss slider.” - Gerald Laird.....we're normal. Look it up.

Fast forward and the wheels are clearly falling of the bus. Declining stuff..yes...but he can figure it out on most days. I come back to making adjustments. Many pitchers lose stuff, but can maneuver through games with less than stellar stuff. Julio can't. At this point every start at suntrust should be pushed back. No pitching coach change will happen, so to Enscheff's point, it's best to ride out the contract.
 
50PoundHead said:
I am alone in this theory, but I think he muscled up as he developed physically and the resulting lack of fluidity has taken a few mphs off his fastball. He's always had flyball tendencies, so the fall-off in velocity is going to result in batted balls flying everywhere.

For those advocating a trade when he was performing better, we still don't know what offers were on the table. I can remember names like Devers and Benintendi tossed around when there were rumored talks with the Red Sox, but guys like that get traded for pitchers like Sale and not pitchers like Teheran. I'd be curious to know what, if any, serious offers were made and what was turned down.
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Doesn't really matter if those guys weren't on the table. He was still a solid starter on a good contract 3-4 years ago and we were selling off nearly every other asset (most notably Simmons who was far more valuable and also on a good contract). Should've been traded along with everyone besides Freeman.
 
Have to ask-- McDowell was lauded for being very good working with young guys. With al the young guns now and several years ago, who decided to fire him?
Also, McDowell was well known for his change up while pitching in the MLB. Hernandez doesn't even know how to throw any of the variety grip change ups.
 
50PoundHead said:
I am alone in this theory, but I think he muscled up as he developed physically and the resulting lack of fluidity has taken a few mphs off his fastball. He's always had flyball tendencies, so the fall-off in velocity is going to result in batted balls flying everywhere.

For those advocating a trade when he was performing better, we still don't know what offers were on the table. I can remember names like Devers and Benintendi tossed around when there were rumored talks with the Red Sox, but guys like that get traded for pitchers like Sale and not pitchers like Teheran. I'd be curious to know what, if any, serious offers were made and what was turned down.
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Generally speaking his average velocity has been pretty consistent since coming in the league before the first 2 starts this year. From rookie year til now. 93.9 93.1 93.0 92.3 91.9 92.0 89.6 Aside from rookie year his average FB was basically within a MPH of every other year.
 
salmagundy said:
Have to ask-- McDowell was lauded for being very good working with young guys. With al the young guns now and several years ago, who decided to fire him?
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"Roger is a terrific coach and an even better person," general manager John Coppolella said. "We wish him and his family nothing but the best in the future."
 
Forever Fredi said:
Some of us have wanted to do that for years... he strings a few decent starts and the "we need to keep him because he's gonna be a steal with his contract" people chime in.
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Fortunately if we do miraculously find ourselves in a position to get some value for him I doubt the new FO makes the same mistake the past one did with him.
 
zitothebrave said:
Generally speaking his average velocity has been pretty consistent since coming in the league before the first 2 starts this year. From rookie year til now. 93.9 93.1 93.0 92.3 91.9 92.0 89.6 Aside from rookie year his average FB was basically within a MPH of every other year.
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So we went from 94 to 93 to three years of 92 to...89.6? Not exactly a straight line progression. That's only two starts though, right? Maybe he's pitching through an injury. He's done it before. One thing Julio does is take the ball.

I am disappointed certainly, but not done with him.

He's had years with great control
 
salmagundy said:
Have to ask-- McDowell was lauded for being very good working with young guys. With al the young guns now and several years ago, who decided to fire him?
Also, McDowell was well known for his change up while pitching in the MLB. Hernandez doesn't even know how to throw any of the variety grip change ups.
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Roger may have had a change, but his moneymaker was his sinker. Come to think of it, Julio has been **** since Roger left. Pretty clear the new guy isn't doing anybody any good.
 
Tapate50 said:
McDowells issue was the TJ surgery right? All of his pitchers ended up with it?
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Not quite. And that issue is much more epidemic than a major league pitching coach. That's who the kid's high school and college coaches were as well as minors. By the time they're 20 or older they're not gonna change what worked. Case in point is Medlen. He had terrible mechanics. But they were what got him to the majors and changing them changes how he pitches. Only Braves pitcher I recall who's mechanics changed in the majors were Hanson and it probably prolonged his career but it took a lot of movement off his fastball and he was much more hittable.
 
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