He's got decreased velocity. Thats not a death knell.
The ceiling of a TOR guy certainly isn't there right now but people want to call him a bust already. Thats absurd.
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He's got decreased velocity. Thats not a death knell.
The ceiling of a TOR guy certainly isn't there right now but people want to call him a bust already. Thats absurd.
I don't think many people are calling him a bust, yet. But he's certainly not an elite pitching prospect. His stuff is mediocre that isn't likely to play at the big league level. There is a reason he got dropped by most scouts.
And if he starts throwing 90-93 this year? The guy is a baby and was still recovering from injury issues from the year prior.
I'm not jumping off the bandwagon just yet. He performed very well at a young age in AA. Lets see what the future holds.
If his stuff improves and he pitches well then I'm sure his stock will rise. However I think it's fair to judge what he is doing right now and not a what if scenario.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Allard's calling card as a prospect out of high school was his pitchability. I don't think anyone saw him as a guy who was going to have a big fastball to rely upon. That doesn't mean he won't play in the big leagues or lack success if and when he gets there. I just think how the game is played now, he's always going to have a smaller margin for error. But I'm not too down on him getting roughed up in his first inning in AAA. Brandon Roger Snyder has been known to launch a few balls during his career.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
imo Allard is now one of our most underrated prospects
Are we in Gattis island again together?
Oh man...
Every team knew about his increase in velocity during that showcase. Every team had to weigh that increase in velocity against his risk factors.
Every. Single. Team.
Every single team had to decide if that bump in velocity was worth assuming the risk. The Braves were the first to decide the risk was worth it. Therefore, they valued the uptick more than any other team drafting before them.
I am not "throwing shade" at the Braves. It has been stated in many places that they tend(ed) to over value recent upticks in stuff. I also said I thought it was a reasonable risk to take at that portion of that draft.
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LOL, Top 20 prospect in baseball by the end of the year, right?
You're on course to be wrong...again. Surprised? Nope.
Can someone pat Enscheff on the head and tell him how smart he is so we can get back to a discussion without the personal mocking he enjoys so much?
I still have high hopes for Allard. A modest increase in velocity along with excellent control can bring some luster back to his prospect standing.
I still have high hopes for Allard. A modest increase in velocity along with excellent control can bring some luster back to his prospect standing.
Southcack77
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The only reason he was perceived to be deserving of such a high draft pick is that everyone saw and valued his uptick in velocity as potentially permanent. Because that's not an unreasonable thing to do when evaluating rising high school seniors.
Other teams backed off after he got injured. I think that suggests the Braves have a higher threshold for taking injury risks than most clubs. I don't think the Braves overemphasizing recent velocity spikes in comparison with other teams had much to do with anything.
I read you say that you thought it was a reasonable draft choice. that's why I said you were playing both sides. If you didn't want to throw shade, you could have just left it there. But you wanted to throw some shade about the Braves overvaluing recent performance, I think.
That's cool. Throwing shade is fun. But I think you chose the wrong path. I think their picking injury risk arms has been a much bigger flop than than overvaluing recent performance. The latter is what lead them to someone like Luis Gohara, which I know you have said the result of, at least, was good.