Govt. Shutdown

Its just frustrating all around. The market will probably not respond favorably to this so everyones retirement savings and investment portfolios are going to take a hit. There is just no end to the governments inadequacies. Wish people didn't have to depend on them so much just to get by.
 
If they resolve it today, the market won't take too much of a hit most likely but a dragged out battle will ruin the country's economy. All because of some peacocking over Obamacare. Pass the ****ing budget then work on the grassroots level to get rid of Obamacare. I'm not a fan of it (I think you either go full on universal healthcare or nowhere) but doing this is not good.

Anyone who votes for anyone in office now should reevaluate themselves.

I'm going to actively start writing my state legislature about bringing up a constitutional amendment for term limits on the douchebags in congress. Maybe if they didn't have to think about being reelected they'd use their brains not their wallets.
 
for every Ted Cruz there is a Bernie Sanders
for every Paul Ryan the is a John Lewis
for every Mike Lee there is an Elizabeth Warren
for every Eric Canter there is a John Dingle

there are good incumbents - ones dedicated to public service - on both sides of the 2 party spectrum
I think huge turnover and term limits are a good piece of what s created the mess we are in today.
Institutional knowledge is invaluable -- in any walk of life - let alone governing 300M people
 
zitothebrave said:
If they resolve it today, the market won't take too much of a hit most likely but a dragged out battle will ruin the country's economy. All because of some peacocking over Obamacare. Pass the ****ing budget then work on the grassroots level to get rid of Obamacare. I'm not a fan of it (I think you either go full on universal healthcare or nowhere) but doing this is not good.

Anyone who votes for anyone in office now should reevaluate themselves.

I'm going to actively start writing my state legislature about bringing up a constitutional amendment for term limits on the douchebags in congress. Maybe if they didn't have to think about being reelected they'd use their brains not their wallets.
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The one size fits all philosophy a pox on both their houses --- just doesn't apply. Kinda like a brown dog bit me so -- all brown dogs will bite me

For Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), chair of the Senate Budget Committee, the move is ironic. She has been trying for more than a half-year to go to a conference to work out dramatic differences between the Senate budget and the House version. Senate and House Republicans have objected, repeatedly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/budget-conference-republicans_n_4020621.html
 
57Brave said:
The one size fits all philosophy a pox on both their houses --- just doesn't apply. Kinda like a brown dog bit me so -- all brown dogs will bite me

For Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), chair of the Senate Budget Committee, the move is ironic. She has been trying for more than a half-year to go to a conference to work out dramatic differences between the Senate budget and the House version. Senate and House Republicans have objected, repeatedly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/budget-conference-republicans_n_4020621.html[/]

Hang up from the house is that top aids, staff, of govt WILL NOT get govt subsidies for their health care and that the individual mandate be pushed back. Doesn't seem unreasonable.

Seems in a time where we need to be squeezing 2 dimes out of 10 cents that it's a pretty important example to set.
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Tapate50 said:
Hang up from the house is that top aids, staff, of govt WILL NOT get govt subsidies for their health care and that the individual mandate be pushed back. Doesn't seem unreasonable.

Seems in a time where we need to be squeezing 2 dimes out of 10 cents that it's a pretty important example to set.
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Is a budget bill the appropriate venue to demand the pushback of the individual mandate?
 
Julio3000 said:
Is a budget bill the appropriate venue to demand the pushback of the individual mandate?
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I don't have access to the docket going forward so it might be their only shot. It also depends on what your constituents are telling you to do. That would be a novel idea.
 
Tapate50 said:
I don't have access to the docket going forward so it might be their only shot. It also depends on what your constituents are telling you to do. That would be a novel idea.
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That's interesting take on public service. It seems to me (again...) that this Congress has no interest in actually doing the work of governing.

This is another problem with heavily gerrymandered districts. Some ideological purity test can end up holding the rest of the country hostage.

Seriously. If you want to defund or delay the ACA, pass a bill to do it, then get it through both houses and get it signed. Oh, is that not going to happen? Then grow up, admit that you lost, and go win some more elections.
 
Julio3000 said:
That's interesting take on public service. It seems to me (again...) that this Congress has no interest in actually doing the work of governing.

This is another problem with heavily gerrymandered districts. Some ideological purity test can end up holding the rest of the country hostage.

Seriously. If you want to defund or delay the ACA, pass a bill to do it, then get it through both houses and get it signed. Oh, is that not going to happen? Then grow up, admit that you lost, and go win some more elections.
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What about the govt subsidy for their health care? That not worth bargaining on?
 
I'd say that was a CYA attempt. Is it worth shutting down the government over? Personally, I'd say no. I'd bet the majority of Americans would, as well.
 
acesfull86 said:
I guess they're using whatever leverage they think they have. I don't believe the Dems are going to be interested in negotiating after the fact.
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That's it in a nutshell. There will likely be changes, perhaps significant ones, to the Affordable Care Act down the road, but I doubt it will ever be completely repealed. It's a high-risk strategy, but then again, most of the people in the House who are pushing the shutdown strategy are in very safe seats and a lot of moderate Republicans are absolutely petrified of primary challenges from the right. It doesn't take a lot to lose an election where the turnout is less than 25%.
 
Bernie Sanders: "I'm an advocate of a single-payer national health care system, but it never occurred to me to bring down the United States government and cause pain for millions of workers because I can't get my way."
 
50PoundHead said:
That's it in a nutshell. There will likely be changes, perhaps significant ones, to the Affordable Care Act down the road, but I doubt it will ever be completely repealed. It's a high-risk strategy, but then again, most of the people in the House who are pushing the shutdown strategy are in very safe seats and a lot of moderate Republicans are absolutely petrified of primary challenges from the right. It doesn't take a lot to lose an election where the turnout is less than 25%.
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^^^^

Yeah, a midterm election, too. Yikes.
 
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