GDT: 4/13/2018 Cubs

Southcack77 said:
It must be said for Wren that despite never winning a playoff series he made the playoffs almost half the time in his seven years at the helm.

And he did leave four players in the system who eventually are likely to start a major league game.

Sure his last season was a losing one and the prognosis for the future was so bad that a team whose philosophy was never to punt decided on a complete tear down. And maybe he left the Braves with the two worst contracts in baseball. But it wasn’t all bad.
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I at times disagree with your logic, but usually respect that there’s logic at work in your takes. Having said that: this is a worse take than thethe’s by a mile. In fact: this is a clown-take, bro.
 
Was there a game today? Who is Wren, and why does anyone care?

That Albies kid is fun to watch. Reminds me of the energy a young Furcal once brought.
 
sturg33 said:
Yes.

By trading away Wrens extremely valuable assets and having top 5 picks every year
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Wren’s problems were people hated him and every time he opened his wallet for a free agent it was a disaster.

He was not good. He was also not banned from baseball bad.

Chris Johnson was really stupid but not Olivera stupid.

Aa is far from perfect. He’s made some win now trades that really scare me for next year. But his record is much better than either guy we keep talking about
 
thethe said:
Can someone please explain how Albies has either neutral or negative fielding metrics?
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I'm as far from a WAR expert as there can be, but doesn't the stat compare him to other 2b? My guess is either the league has truly outstanding defensive 2b or the dWAR hasn't been updated
 
jpx7 said:
I at times disagree with your logic, but usually respect that there’s logic at work in your takes. Having said that: this is a worse take than thethe’s by a mile. In fact: this is a clown-take, bro.
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Cool. Which part do you disagree with?
 
jpx7 said:
I at times disagree with your logic, but usually respect that there’s logic at work in your takes. Having said that: this is a worse take than thethe’s by a mile. In fact: this is a clown-take, bro.
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Japes, you’re supposed to be my less cantankerous alter-ego. Act like it.
 
Southcack77 said:
Cool. Which part do you disagree with?
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Conceptually, all of it, but mostly the ideas that (a) the GM was directly responsible for the playoff losses in those postseasons that the team he built reached (especially since trying to fire the manager responsible for one of those big flameouts didn’t go very well for said GM), and (b) that dude was uniquely responsible for bringing the team to a point where rebuilding was necessitated (especially given reports that said GM had wanted to initiate a retool/rebuild himself early in his tenure, having seen some signs it might be necessary).

But I really shouldn’t be helpng to enable this ongoing discussion—especially since I’m not a massive Wren fan, anyway. I’ve stated before I think his was a C-level tenure, unfortunately followed by an even worse, D- regime. Maybe after a few more months AA will give us more current fodder for debate.
 
Enscheff said:
If you’re looking at defensive metrics after 2 weeks, you’re doing something wrong.
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I think he was just asking how the numbers could be negative after two weeks when the eye test says he is an above average defender. It was more of an observation about the inaccuracy of the SSS numbers than a serious question about defensive metrics.
 
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