GDT: Braves @ Reds 4/26 (No Camargo)

thewupk said:
I live in a world where Wren personally allowed the increase of the offer for Acuna to snag him from the Royals.
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Thats an interesting world but counters the logic of how companies are run and how funds are allocated. Wren was not the CEO of the team.
 
Enscheff said:
The issue is the usual suspects lovingbWren when he was GM. Then hating him when he left. Then loving Hart/Coppy when they were in charge. Then hating them when they left.

The usual suspects can’t actually think for themselves, so they love whoever is leading the organization at the time.

And it’s funny. So intelli-Braves poke fun at them.
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I'm fairly balanced in my criticism. They all do good and bad things. It's the nature of the business. I was never really a fan of Schuerholz, especially after he fell off Ted Turner's wallet. The best thing I can say about all of them is that they were better than John Mullen.
 
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The more you see, the more you realize this stuff is always cyclical and very little separates good GMs from below-average ones.

I did not like the way Wren drafted and seemingly acquired solely for MLB need instead of going after high-end talent. Still, he got Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, and struck gold on Acuna and Albies. I did like the way Coppy went after high-ceiling talent at all costs, but plenty of that has turned out to be nothing. We'll see what AA's approach is. Regardless, though, he'll probably hit on some, strike out on others, and end up with a mixed bag.

A lot of this is just hoping you get lucky.
 
smootness said:
The more you see, the more you realize this stuff is always cyclical and very little separates good GMs from below-average ones.

I did not like the way Wren drafted and seemingly acquired solely for MLB need instead of going after high-end talent. Still, he got Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, and struck gold on Acuna and Albies. I did like the way Coppy went after high-ceiling talent at all costs, but plenty of that has turned out to be nothing. We'll see what AA's approach is. Regardless, though, he'll probably hit on some, strike out on others, and end up with a mixed bag.

A lot of this is just hoping you get lucky.
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Wren did not draft Heyward/Freeman. His guys drafted Wood/simmons/Gattis.
 
The notion that a GM... whose job is to acquire talent to make team better, didn’t know anything about ten players ten players they signed in July is comical.
 
smootness said:
The more you see, the more you realize this stuff is always cyclical and very little separates good GMs from below-average ones.

I did not like the way Wren drafted and seemingly acquired solely for MLB need instead of going after high-end talent. Still, he got Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, and struck gold on Acuna and Albies. I did like the way Coppy went after high-ceiling talent at all costs, but plenty of that has turned out to be nothing. We'll see what AA's approach is. Regardless, though, he'll probably hit on some, strike out on others, and end up with a mixed bag.

A lot of this is just hoping you get lucky.
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Pre-Wren era draftees. Last draft where Schuerholz was GM. Clark stuck around for two more drafts but they weren't as productive as 2007 (although 2008 netted Kimbrel whom they had also drafted in 2007). The big problem in 2008 is that they drafted Anthony Rendon late and Clark supposedly begged for extra cash to get him signed, but he was rebuffed. Not putting that at Wren's feet because budgets are what budgets are.
 
thethe said:
Wren did not draft Heyward/Freeman. His guys drafted Wood/simmons/Gattis.
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I'm pretty sure GM's don't oversee drafts anyways. They usually delegate that to someone else like their assistant GM. So whoever the assistant GM was for JS likely had Heyward/Freeman drafted.
 
thewupk said:
I'm pretty sure GM's don't oversee drafts anyways. They usually delegate that to someone else like their assistant GM. So whoever the assistant GM was for JS likely had Heyward/Freeman drafted.
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They absolutely do not. That is why I give no credit to Coppy for the great drafts the past 3 years of Clark. But what the GM does deserve credit/blame is the people they put in place to run the show.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
The notion that a GM... whose job is to acquire talent to make team better, didn’t know anything about ten players ten players they signed in July is comical.
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A GM's job is the make sure the major league team is good. That is why organizations are siloed to be overseen by the VP of baseball operations.
 
thewupk said:
got auto corrected. Acuna and Albies will be the best players we produce in our rebuild. And they weren't acquired during our rebuild.
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I don't really see how this is specifically a knock on the rebuild, though.

'LULZ, the 'rebuild' didn't even produce the two best players that came out of the farm system during this period...those guys were only 2 of the top prospects in all of baseball, who immediately started producing at the MLB level as 20-year-olds.'

If those were the two best and they were just meh, then that's an obvious knock on the rebuild. But just because we won't produce anyone else at that level (which still does remain to be seen, Dansby has been really freaking good this year and arguably better than Albies) doesn't really say anything in particular about the quality of the rebuild.
 
thewupk said:
I'm pretty sure GM's don't oversee drafts anyways. They usually delegate that to someone else like their assistant GM. So whoever the assistant GM was for JS likely had Heyward/Freeman drafted.
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Roy Clark's job. GMs may set some parameters and have to sign off on budget requests (after they get clearance from their superiors). I think GMs have something to do with setting the tone and may have to settle some arguments in the scouting department, but they aren't in the day-to-day as they have bigger fish to fry.

PS--While researching this set of posts, I came across a bit of information that many overlooked. Paul Snyder retired after Schuerholz move to President of Baseball Operations and Wren became GM. Again, I'm not going to say Wren chased Snyder out. Paul was likely ready to retire and he didn't want to go through a transition. It has to be mentioned because Snyder was a one-man scouting brain trust for the Braves for a long, long time and he probably had as much influence on the Clark-era drafts as anyone.
 
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