sturg33
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What the **** are you even talking about. You consistently come to the table with no data.
Big government is liberal. Both Republicans and Democrats support it.bi don't support either of those parties
"You didn't build that"
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What the **** are you even talking about. You consistently come to the table with no data.
Big government is liberal. Both Republicans and Democrats support it.bi don't support either of those parties
"You didn't build that"
sturg33
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As was solyndra and cash for clunkers.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
It's really puzzling that sturg and thethe associate ANY government spending with "leftist economic policy."
Sturg, you specifically mentioned bailouts and stimulus.
In the context of the housing crash and credit crisis, who initiated the was bailouts, and who were primarily campaigning for them? "Economic leftists?" The hell. Leftists were trying to get bank CEOs arrested, not keeping their bonuses.
Sturg, you specifically mentioned bailouts and stimulus.
In the context of the housing crash and credit crisis, who initiated the was bailouts, and who were primarily campaigning for them? "Economic leftists?" The hell. Leftists were trying to get bank CEOs arrested, not keeping their bonuses.
sturg33
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Thanks to the dodd Frank regulations the big banks are bigger than ever.
Tooer bigger to to fail.
Way to go lefties!
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Just curious as to where yuge military spending fits into the whole left/right big/small government scheme with you guys.
The federal governments primaey responsibility is to protect the people from foreign invasion. Therefore, I don't consider military spending the same big government as regulation on the private sector.
sturg33
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Leftist policy
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Bush's Medicare part D is a good example of federal spending on a social program that was neither liked nor supported by either liberals or leftists.
Look at government spending for the last couple of decades, remind yourself who controlled the WH and Congress, and get back to me.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Whether or not you liked it is irrelevant. The point that you seem unwilling to contend with is that ACA used public funds to subsidize, and fines to incentivize, buying private insurance. Like I said, it was conceived as a conservative think tank solution to expanding healthcare coverage. It's left of what YOU prefer, but it's not leftist. A robust public option would be closer to the mark. So-called Medicare-for-all closer still. The ACA barely registers. It was a squishy compromise to keep the AMA, the insurers, pharma, and other stakeholders on board. That alone should clue you that it bore no resemblance to leftist policy. It was merely policy that you didn't like. But you're the extremist here, having staked out a position that taxation is theft and any government spending amounts to Marxism.
Obama governed essentially as a center-left technocrat. He was closer to Bush--either Bush--than to any actual leftist.
But let's get back to tax increases. Reagan and Bush 41 increased taxes several times...in a lot of different places, after the big, early Reagan tax cuts. Adjust those increases to constant dollars, compare them to the ACA tax hikes, and tell me what you see. Were Reagan and Bush "economic leftists"?
PS...just take the L on comparing anything meaningful based on raw dollars. It was a significant tax increase. Got it. But it was in no meaningful way the largest tax increase in history. If we play by your rules, we're comparing a smaller population with an average household income of <$8000 to current times. It's weak sauce.
sturg33
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Expansion of government control of economic policies is a leftist position. A conservative position is the government should have less control. A liberal position is more control. Obama decisively moved us more to the left on just about everything (and Trump is as well in certain areas)
I'm not taking a loss on anything when it was I who pointed out first that it was raw dollars. I acknowledged that right away. If you adjust for. Inflation its the 4th largest tax increase ever.
Well i guess that settles it then, Obama didn't significantly raise taxes.
/tdsjulio
I'm not taking a loss on anything when it was I who pointed out first that it was raw dollars. I acknowledged that right away. If you adjust for. Inflation its the 4th largest tax increase ever.
Well i guess that settles it then, Obama didn't significantly raise taxes.
/tdsjulio
You didn't answer the question.
Runnin
Well-known member
Obama — Just Too Good for Us
Maybe we pushed too far,” the president continued. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.”
Maybe we pushed too far,” the president continued. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.”
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
But we all know that isn't our military's #1 goal, or at least their #1A. It should be, mind you, but it really isn't. Ask KBR if you don't believe me.