He signed Freeman to that team friendly deal. Without Wren he's likely playing 1B for the Angels
GDT 6/17. Padres game 4
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He signed Freeman to that team friendly deal. Without Wren he's likely playing 1B for the Angels
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Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
Seems like to me the Braves just need to give Julio 10 days between every start. He hit 93 yesterday.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Could have Teheran and McCarthy alternate every fifth day—a sort of five-and-a-half-man rotation.
There is a certain contingent around here that jumps up and down in sheer delight over everything the Braves do. The loved Wren, then they hated Wren. They loved Copy, then they hated Coppy. Now they love AA. After he is gone they will undoubtedly talk about how he was always a terrible GM and the new guy is amazing.
The Wren comments are a way to point out just how stupid that contingent of posters is. He was an average or better GM working under the constraints of a middling payroll and pressure to always contend without the benefit of ever reloading the system.
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Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
Or maybe he should just pitch like every day is Father's Day
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/6/17/17473508/julio-teheran-fathers-day-no-runs-braves
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
And Wood who was used to get...never mind
yes we've gone thru his draft record before...........
meh, someone was getting signed. it was market value at the time.
sturg33
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Indeed.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
He was also 0.9 last year (after 2.7 in 2016), which is pretty close to 1.0. And at 0.8 this year, he’s well on his way to another ~2 fwar season.
But yea: that deal looked solid at the time, for the Braves, and looks even better now with Foltynewicz’s emergence.
It was always one of the better gambles/deals that Hart/Coppy did. Former top prospect with plus stuff for a backup catcher/DH. Braves had no need for that player and turned it into a good lottery ticket that seems to finally have the correct numbers.
i'm just not giving wren credit for coppy making a really good deal to unload a player like gattis. it's not like gattis was/is some great player who obviously would net a guy like folty.
meh. not really.
no pitching anywhere. poor drafting. heyward (wasn't here because of wren anyways) and upton had 1 year left before FA.
we had a bad farm system and few young, controllable assets (heyward and upton weren't).
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
other than Acuna, Albies and Camargo you are spot on about the farm system
also there were players drafted or acquired by Wren that were of some value as trade chips--Simmons, Wood, Justin Upton, Gattis. Not all of those chips were wisely used.
We also had the team friendly extension to Kimbrel that enhanced his trade value
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when all a team needs is 3 players and 0 pitchers, let me know.
it's kind of crazy how little young ML talent was on the roster when wren departed. even crazier the complete lack of pitching pretty much anywhere in the organization.
who were the young, controllable ML assets when wren was fired? simmons, gattis, wood and ..?
i would hesitate to say any org that is devoid of any pitching at all is set up nicely for a rebuild.
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And of course it's a lot easier to draft when you have top 5 picks every year
this a bad argument every time it's made.
soroka was drafted in the last 1st. better pick than any of the pitchers wren drafted.
our picks after the 1st round have been better than most of wren's picks in the 1st.
he drafted poorly.
it's also fairly telling that the best thing wren "did" (the int'l market) is the part that the GM likely has the least direct control over.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
good point
our top pick in in 2014 was #32, in 2013 #31, in 2012 #21, in 2010 #28, and in 2009 #35
the expected return in those spots is much lower than the top 10 picks we have been enjoying the last few years...people overlook that