6/27 GDT: Reds at Braves

Lol I love it!!

Despite being in first place with one of the best records in the NL, the Braves need a new manager and a completely new BP.

Post loss meltdowns are the best haha.
 
nsacpi said:
I think it is worth doing a post mortem of the 7th inning.

Viz is on the DL. Carle pitched 2 innings last night and is not avaiable. Minter and Winker being held back for the 8th and 9th. Neither pitched last night. Tomorrow is an off day so the manager has more freedom to burn pitchers to get the platoon advantage and I think also more freedom to consider getting 4 outs from Minter and Winkler. In fact Snit brought in Winkler with 2 outs in the 7th.

The first four hitters due up are are a lefty (Schebler), a righty (Peraza), a pinch hitter for the pitcher, and a righty (Suarez).

Looking at those four hitters, who should Snit bring in to start the inning. I think Freeman is the logical choice. The realistic alternatives are Moylan, Biddle, Jackson and Parsons.

Freeman walks Schebler.

Should Snitker consider bringing a righty at this point to get Peraza?

Normally no. With an off day tomorrow? I think it would be worth at least considering. Who should it be? Probably too early for Winkler. Parsons just got called up. So either Jackson or Moylan. The scenario that has the most appeal to me is Moylan for one hitter (Peraza). After that the Reds would send up a lefty pinch hitter. I would counter with Biddle, hoping the Reds switch to a righty switch hitter, which I think they would do.

My criticism of Snitker's bullpen use in the 7th is fairly subtle. It turns on tomorrow being an off-day. Normally I would not lift Freeman so quickly, but with the off day tomorrow the manager can be more aggressive in using the pen.

At a later point in the inning, I think Snitker should have also considered lifting Freeman. This would be to bring in Winkler for Suarez. Again with the off-day tomorrow you can be more aggressive in seeking out the platoon advantage even if it means burning up a pitcher. They can rest tomorrow.
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You could argue Biddle has now moved into a place where he should be considered for the 7th inning role, but I agree with you.

The root issue here is that the Braves did not really believe they would be in first place at the end of June. They elected to use this season to clear their bad contracts and stage things for a run at doing something next year.

Injury issues are really hitting them hard at the moment too.
 
Southcack77 said:
You could argue Biddle has now moved into a place where he should be considered for the 7th inning role, but I agree with you.

The root issue here is that the Braves did not really believe they would be in first place at the end of June. They elected to use this season to clear their bad contracts and stage things for a run at doing something next year.

Injury issues are really hitting them hard at the moment too.
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it should also be noted Freeman struck out Peraza and Blandino...so bringing in Moylan and Biddle to face them would not have produced a better outcome (except for a double play)

btw Biddle has been worked pretty hard the past week...3 innings Friday and one inning each Sunday and Monday

there wasn't a point in the 7th inning where it was obvious Snitker should have made a different decision
 
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To be sure, I'm not melting down. I never thought they would be anywhere close to where they are at now in the W/L department, so this season is kind of gravy when it comes down to it (at least to this point). I just hate seeing games p*ssed away by the bullpen and it doesn't matter to me if the team is in first or last when that happens. Just a tough way to lose games.
 
50PoundHead said:
To be sure, I'm not melting down. I never thought they would be anywhere close to where they are at now in the W/L department, so this season is kind of gravy when it comes down to it (at least to this point). I just hate seeing games p*ssed away by the bullpen and it doesn't matter to me if the team is in first or last when that happens. Just a tough way to lose games.
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it's been a tough slog for the pen...Viz to DL...extra inning games...starters have not been going deep into games...but good pens can withstand stuff like that...i like our pen but some reinforcement is needed
 
nsacpi said:
there wasn't a point in the 7th inning where it was obvious Snitker should have made a different decision
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One thing I always did like about Bobby was how he’d seemingly always throw fresh meat in the grinder right away. I would’ve liked to see Parsons out there in the seventh, given some of the team’s depth concerns, just as it would’ve been nice to get Phillips in a game upon arrival.
 
jpx7 said:
One thing I always did like about Bobby was how he’d seemingly always throw fresh meat in the grinder right away. I would’ve liked to see Parsons out there in the seventh, given some of the team’s depth concerns, just as it would’ve been nice to get Phillips in a game upon arrival.
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Dude, we have to use freeman every game. If we don't use freeman, we might lose
 
Enscheff said:
10 games?!?!

Wow! Imagine how good a position the Braves would be in with a competent manager!!
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Even if someone thinks Snitker directly figured into 10 losses, you almost have to assume that they would still lose ~5 of them with different decisions, so he would not be responsible for that many losses.

Do I wish we could improve our manager? Sure. Do I think he has that big of an impact? Not really. Snitker is a bit below average tactically - most managers aren’t great tactically, and there aren’t any obvious replacements available.
 
Snit has actually done a decent job of distributing the workload in the pen. Going into today's game:

Minter 35 appearances (32 innings)
Carle 34 (41)
Viz 30 (29)
Freeman 38 (33)
Biddle 23 (28)
Moylan 34 (25)
Winkler 33 (30)

Since Biddle was called up in the third week of April, the workload has been pretty evenly split across seven pitchers. Biddle's arrival helped to temper the heavy load that Freeman carried early in the season.

The main issue really relates to lack of a situational lefty.

If we picked up someone like Avilan or Claudio, he would become the main situational lefty for innings 5-7. Freeman and Biddle would transition to a different role where they would become the secondary situational lefty in those innings and the long men. Both have shown they can go 2 or more innings. They would effectively replace guys like Socolovich/Jackson/Wisler in that role.
 
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Another game we should have won if not for the bullpen melting down again.

Not really sure what AA can do considering 3-4 guys need to be replaced. It would be nice if they'd give Phillips a shot or let Biddle get some more high leverage chances. If the Braves dont spend on position players this winter would not be against signing 2-3 bullpen pitchers so this problem isnt one next year.
 
We need a strong situational lefty that replaces Freeman and have Phillips replace Moylan. I think that's all we really need.
 
you can't lose two of three at home to baltimore and the reds, yes this is on snit. that loss vs baltimore we had no business losing and again today snit sucks. He is doing this vs bad teams, he has no excuse as a good manager is not this stupid. The team isn't the problem, they have shown a ton of fight this year and would be running away with this division without an idiot manager.
 
Braves1976 said:
you can't lose two of three at home to baltimore and the reds, yes this is on snit. that loss vs baltimore we had no business losing and again today snit sucks. He is doing this vs bad teams, he has no excuse as a good manager is not this stupid. The team isn't the problem, they have shown a ton of fight this year and would be running away with this division without an idiot manager.
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You can actually. It's called baseball. As frustrating as it is, every single team loses games and series they should have won.

Sorry to break it to you, but the Braves aren't as talented as you seem to think. They're going to go through the same amount of ups and downs that every 80-90 win team in history has gone through. Having someone other than Snitker isn't going to suddenly make them a 100 win team.
 
Rethinking my position I think y'all are right about Freeman and I'll concede the point. With the All-Star break giving him 4 days rest and if Snitker would pitch him less he should be able to get back to normal.
 
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Braves1976 said:
you can't lose two of three at home to baltimore and the reds, yes this is on snit. that loss vs baltimore we had no business losing and again today snit sucks. He is doing this vs bad teams, he has no excuse as a good manager is not this stupid. The team isn't the problem, they have shown a ton of fight this year and would be running away with this division without an idiot manager.
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So you think the Braves are a 100-win team then?

There's been some games they lost because of Snit but they've also pulled a couple out of their ass they should have lost as well that they cameback in. That evens out over time. We probably should have won on Friday and today, but as said, there's been quite a few we should have lost but ended up winning. Way of baseball.
 
CyYoung31 said:
You can actually. It's called baseball. As frustrating as it is, every single team loses games and series they should have won.

Sorry to break it to you, but the Braves aren't as talented as you seem to think. They're going to go through the same amount of ups and downs that every 80-90 win team in history has gone through. Having someone other than Snitker isn't going to suddenly make them a 100 win team.
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Yeah, this is pretty much the right take. This team is better than I thought they'd be, but rearranging the deck chairs on the metaphorical Titanic that is the bullpen isn't going make them ten games better. Perfect optimization of our ****ty bench isn't going to make us a WS contender. I'm content to enjoy the (to me) unexpected ride to playoff contention.
 
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