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I own a few acres and have equipment to maintain the property. This past weekend a piece required a widget . So, I went to Lowes.
Rather than going to a hardware store where the man behind the counter was paid to be familiar with widgets, was paid a living wage and was comfortable with job security I asked for help from a middle aged man in a red vest making probably minimum wage and this his second job and gave the impression he would rather be any where else but Lowes in South Georgia on a Saturday morning.


I don't think your question is in good faith.
you have proven over and over you don't care 2 wits about understanding another's point but just take up peoples time taking a contrary side.
That is boring.
 
I have posted data showing that min wage hurts people and you said you still support it.

It frightens me that so many voters are as ignorant as you and control such a large voting block.

You didn't answer the question. And I'm certain it's because you can't.
 
you posted data formulated by a PR firm representing hotels and restaurants.
You also said the tax bill was --- all that


It frightens me Lowes, with the ability to buy bulk, quipped with tax incentives and favorable zoning exceptions ,has subsequently run off all of the hardware stores and the guy behind the counter that could have helped me Saturday morning.
I would argue the guy not behind the counter at the local hardware store the embodiment of "marginalized middle class"

I answered the question, just not to your satisfaction. Or, probably better put , that agreed with you
 
57Brave said:
I own a few acres and have equipment to maintain the property. This past weekend a piece required a widget . So, I went to Lowes.
Rather than going to a hardware store where the man behind the counter was paid to be familiar with widgets, was paid a living wage and was comfortable with job security I asked for help from a middle aged man in a red vest making probably minimum wage and this his second job and gave the impression he would rather be any where else but Lowes in South Georgia on a Saturday morning.


I don't think your question is in good faith.
you have proven over and over you don't care 2 wits about understanding another's point but just take up peoples time taking a contrary side.
That is boring.
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Speaking of min wage... here's a well-timed article... one day you will learn that fiscal conservatism isn't evil, but rather an attempt to lift all boats

LINK: Ontario’s Minimum Wage Hike Has Been Disastrous, Especially for Disabled Workers

Some highlights for you

The Canadian province of Ontario began 2018 by raising the minimum wage from $11.60 to $14.

When the Ontario government raised the minimum wage, it also terminated an exemption for organizations providing jobs to the intellectually or physically disabled. As a result, The Globe and Mail reports, most of these organizations “have opted to stop hiring people with cognitive disabilities.” Not only was hiring stopped, community centers and non-profits were also forced to let go of their existing disabled workers.

The parents of these disabled workers organized a protest demanding exemptions from the government’s unfair minimum wage law, since no employer could afford to pay their disabled adult children $14 per hour.
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Worse yet... lawmakers simply don't know how business works.

In December, weeks before the minimum wage rose to $14, one member of the Ontario Parliament said that the minimum wage hike was intended to force some employers to close shop. According to CTV News, one Liberal legislator “lashed out at critics of the minimum wage hike by saying business owners shouldn't be operating if they can't afford it.”

Which businesses couldn’t afford the $14 minimum wage? The answer is many of those businesses that employ unskilled workers whose productivity is too low to justify a $14 wage. In recent months, everything from restaurants to daycare centers to retirement homes cited the minimum wage hike as either a primary or contributing factor to shutting down. Convenience stores were also hard hit, with closures spiking by 50% in the first quarter of 2018.

The early evidence suggests significant job losses already. Former Statistics Canada chief economic analyst Philip Cross recently noted in a commentary for the Macdonald-Laurier Institute that from January to May 2018, “Canada has shed 50,000 jobs. The job loss was concentrated in Ontario and British Columbia. Ontario’s employment fell 0.3 percent in the first quarter, after the minimum wage hike of nearly 25 percent took effect on January 1, and there was virtually no recovery in April and May.”
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Predictably, prices go up:

The closures of daycare centers was a predictable result of the minimum wage hike, since the higher labor costs forced higher prices. According to Statistics Canada, consumer prices for child care and housekeeping increased by 10.6% for the eight months ending April 2018. Higher child care prices not only make life more expensive for many families with children, it also means a lower quantity demanded of child care, and of child care workers.

With restaurants and other businesses, the story has been the same. A survey of 36 restaurants just 2 months after the minimum wage hike showed that 32 of them had raised prices and 15 had cut hiring. Another survey of small business owners showed that almost half were employing fewer youth workers (below 25 years old) than one year ago, before the minimum wage hike.
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But does this data make leftist lawmakers second-guess? Well of course not.. we need to double down!

Despite the clear negative consequences, left-wing activists still want another minimum wage hike. The International Socialists reported on their website, for instance, that businesses immediately reacted to the minimum wage hike in January “by reducing hiring, cutting employee work hours, reducing benefits and charging higher prices.” This was a fact they reported, ironically, in an article promoting a rally to continue raising the minimum wage to $15 next year.
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So i support policies that allows opportunity for lower skilled and disabled people... and leftists do the opposite, and then manage to blame capitalism when those folks become victims of the failed policy.
 
57Brave said:
you posted data formulated by a PR firm representing hotels and restaurants.
You also said the tax bill was --- all that


It frightens me Lowes, with the ability to buy bulk, quipped with tax incentives and favorable zoning exceptions ,has subsequently run off all of the hardware stores and the guy behind the counter that could have helped me Saturday morning.
I would argue the guy not behind the counter at the local hardware store the embodiment of "marginalized middle class"

I answered the question, just not to your satisfaction. Or, probably better put , that agreed with you
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Let's be clear for a second... you have not come close to answering how "fiscal conservatism keeps marginalized people marginalized"

Instead, you told me a story about Lowe's and mixed in the words tax cut a couple times.

Let's just call it what it is. You are too dumb to know why you are dumb
 
57Brave said:
you posted data formulated by a PR firm representing hotels and restaurants.
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lol

I posted studies from:

1. The Employment Policy Institute (verdict = disastrous results)

2. The Institution on Labor & Employment (verdict = benefits and negatives offset each other)

3. University of Washington (verdict = disastrous results)

Meanwhile, the non-fiscal conservative state of California has the nation's highest poverty rate

carry on
 
Your latest "contribution" on minimum wage (which I only brought up to paint a picture of a worker that didn't give a ****) is from a Koch funded think tank

Speaking of your own words and thoughts.
 
57Brave said:
Your latest "contribution" on minimum wage (which I only brought up to paint a picture of a worker that didn't give a ****) is from a Koch funded think tank

Speaking of your own words and thoughts.
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Employment data in Canada is not from a think tank.

You have still not answered the question.

If my contribution is wrong, tell me why.

Then tell me why California has the highest poverty rate in the country if it's practice being fiscal liberal is so compassionate.

Seriously... try to engage in a debate. With data and facts.
 
sturg33 said:
lol

I posted studies from:

1. The Employment Policy Institute (verdict = disastrous results)

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Employment_Policies_Institute

2. The Institution on Labor & Employment (verdict = benefits and negatives offset each other)

https://ballotpedia.org/Minimum_wag...s#Institute_for_Research_and_Labor_Employment

3. University of Washington (verdict = disastrous results)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tiple-studies-suggest/?utm_term=.3e7e674fc9bc

Meanwhile, the non-fiscal conservative state of California has the nation's highest poverty rate

carry on
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My think tank can beat up your think tank
 
I can't wait for the day you choose to engage in a debate with data. It will be a glorious day.

Let me know if you ever decide you want answer ANY of the direct questions I posed to you on this page
 
sturg33 said:
Employment data in Canada is not from a think tank.

You have still not answered the question.

If my contribution is wrong, tell me why.

Then tell me why California has the highest poverty rate in the country if it's practice being fiscal liberal is so compassionate.

Seriously... try to engage in a debate. With data and facts.
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Employment data was written up by a writer associated with Fraser Institute
A PR firm of sorts
 
sturg33 said:
I can't wait for the day you choose to engage in a debate with data. It will be a glorious day.

Let me know if you ever decide you want answer ANY of the direct questions I posed to you on this page
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well, there is data and there is data.

I dont care to refute every Koch funded think tank / PR firm
 
57Brave said:
Employment data was written up by a writer associated with Fraser Institute
A PR firm of sorts
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Sigh

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And maybe Bloomberg is a suitable source for you? The awful unemployment report in Canada earlier this year was national news... but don't let that stop you from your narrative

Canada’s economy lost 137,000 part-time jobs in January, a record monthly decline, led by a drop of 59,000 in Ontario, which was also a record. Ontario saw a net loss of 51,000 jobs.

The numbers are hardly good news for Premier Kathleen Wynne, who increased minimum wages by more than 20 percent on Jan. 1. Big grocers such as Loblaw Cos. and Empire Co. said the wage hike would cost them hundreds of millions of dollars and may accelerate a move to automation like self-serve checkouts. Some smaller restaurant owners also said they would change their menus and juggle shifts as a way of dealing with higher costs.

But economists, and even critics, are reluctant to jump to conclusions based on just one month of data, even though no one is dismissing the possibility that it had an impact.

“The concentration of the job loss in Ontario and the focus upon lost part-time jobs in that province will no doubt feed debate on whether large minimum wage hikes took a toll on employment but proving causality may remain contentious,” Derek Holt, an economist at Scotiabank, said in a note to investors.
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57Brave said:
" Meanwhile, the non-fiscal conservative state of California has the nation's highest poverty rate "


https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/01/california-is-doing-fine-thank-you-very-much/


you should love this, there are graphs and data , " be still my beating heart"

even more important it adds context
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Before I even click on this...

you criticized data from an org that $9,000 from the Koch brothers in 2014, and then you post an article from Mother Jones?


hahahahahahaha
 
57Brave said:
" Meanwhile, the non-fiscal conservative state of California has the nation's highest poverty rate "


https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/01/california-is-doing-fine-thank-you-very-much/


you should love this, there are graphs and data , " be still my beating heart"

even more important it adds context
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OK... just read this. And it took me one paragraph to figure it out.

The author doesn't like the SPM measurement.

Now, 57, please tell me in your own words why we shouldn't be using SPM when discussing the struggles of poor people.

Because that word "context" you mentioned in your post? Well that's exactly what SPM measure, and is 100% more accurate reflection of what is actually happening in the live's of poor people.

But you posted your mother jones article, so I'm sure you have a reason why standard poverty metric is better. Do tell.
 
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