GDT: Braves @ Dodgers (NLDS Game 4, October 7, 2013)

[Five]

Regardless of postseason short rest history, if I were Mattingly, I'd do the same thing.

Im assuming he believes they are gonna score against any of our pitchers, even if Kershaw gives up 4 or 5, they're still gonna win.

Brash move, hope it backfires tho.

 

[nsacpi]

There is certainly plenty of blame to go around. I kept hearing about that money we had for upgrades at the deadline. But instead it passed with no upgrades aside from a cheap reliever that isn't even on our playoff roster. Wren gave us plenty of excuses about that of course.

I reckon Liberty just pockets that money we never spent. If it ever was really what we had to spend to begin with.

We did claim Lohse. But the Brewers were not interested in a trade, at least one that had reasonable terms.

 

[Enscheff]

We were gonna have to beat Kershaw to win the series.

Take my chances with Kershaw on short rest over full rest.

Most logical post in this thread.

 

[tululush]

If that's the case then why do it? Why not save Kershaw for a game 5 on full rest or a game 1 on full rest? Nothing good can come of this if you think your team (dodgers) can hit any of our pitchers. It reeks of desparation and I hope he falls flat on his gd face.

Regardless of postseason short rest history, if I were Mattingly, I'd do the same thing.

Im assuming he believes they are gonna score against any of our pitchers, even if Kershaw gives up 4 or 5, they're still gonna win.

Brash move, hope it backfires tho.

 

[tululush]

Think not only would we have Loshe as an extra great arm in the post season but he wouldn't have thrown that gem against up in the Carlos Gomez game...so we'd have hfa, the pirates, and a better starter. Hmmmm.

We did claim Lohse. But the Brewers were not interested in a trade, at least one that had reasonable terms.

 

[Dalyn]

We could've had Lohse before the season. Then we wouldn't have Teheran throwing more innings than ever before (and it showing). Wren messed up.

 

[thethe]

We could've had Lohse before the season. Then we wouldn't have Teheran throwing more innings than ever before (and it showing). Wren messed up.

So you wanted to start Teheran in the minors again? Thats not right iMO.

 

[Dalyn]

So you wanted to start Teheran in the minors again? Thats not right iMO.

I am already on the record with that before the season started (minors or bullpen). It is what it is. Obviously, it would've been the right move.

 

[thethe]

I am already on the record with that before the season started (minors or bullpen). It is what it is. Obviously, it would've been the right move.

I don't agree with that and I don't think you can say it was the right move because of what happened yesterday.

 

[Dalyn]

I don't agree with that and I don't think you can say it was the right move because of what happened yesterday.

It is not just about yesterday. Obviously. Teheran's performance is a small part of it. We also have the throw away games in September and Garcia going tonight. With Lohse, we likely have HFA with Teheran pitching tonight (if necessary).

 

[Diesel]

This does stink of desparation for Mattingly. I think it's a poor decision and could backfire. He must really think we have Nolasco's number, because they are going to need to rely on him at some point if they advance. If we had a chance beat Kershaw, it's definitely in this scenario. I think he's doing the opposite of what all coaches should do....put your players in position to succeed.

Believe me when I say this is a good thing for the Braves. Atlanta wins 9-4.

 

[thethe]

It is not just about yesterday. Obviously. Teheran's performance is a small part of it. We also have the throw away games in September and Garcia going tonight. With Lohse, we likely have HFA with Teheran pitching tonight (if necessary).

I just can't agree with a strategy that didn't have Teheran starting the season in the major league rotation after he did not need to do anything left at the minor league level. Teheran proved all year that he deserved to be in the majors and the Braves long term are better off that he did. Hudson's injury was so freak that you can't lump it in with regular pitcher injuries. If that didn't happen then we would have been more than fine.

 

[Braves1976]

We did claim Lohse. But the Brewers were not interested in a trade, at least one that had reasonable terms.

True, but that was an attempt to improve our starting pitching after the deadline. I was speaking about the lack of moves before the deadline.

 

[nsacpi]

We could've had Lohse before the season. Then we wouldn't have Teheran throwing more innings than ever before (and it showing). Wren messed up.

How did he mess up. Boras always waits very late in the game trying to extract the last penny before his clients sign. Lohse signed very late. And before he signed his salary demands were unreasonable. No wanted wanted him on those Boras' terms. You can't plan your roster around the assumption you can sign a player whose agent is using those kinds of negotiating tactics. I do think we were thin in AAA in terms of starting pitching depth. We could have upgraded the staff there at no great cost and maybe had a better option or two once Hudson went down and Beachy's recovery did not go as planned.

 

[Dalyn]

I just can't agree with a strategy that didn't have Teheran starting the season in the major league rotation after he did not need to do anything left at the minor league level. Teheran proved all year that he deserved to be in the majors and the Braves long term are better off that he did. Hudson's injury was so freak that you can't lump it in with regular pitcher injuries. If that didn't happen then we would have been more than fine.

Do we really need to go over this again? Sure. Hudson's specific injury was not something you could predict, but needing more depth WAS. This was not an unusual year. We used the amount of pitchers we typically do.

 

[Dalyn]

How did he mess up. Boras always waits very late in the game trying to extract the last penny before his clients sign. Lohse signed very late. And before he signed his salary demands were unreasonable. No wanted wanted him on those Boras' terms. You can't play your roster around the assumption you can sign a player whose agent is using those kinds of negotiating tactics. I do think we were thin in AAA in terms of starting pitching depth. We could have upgraded the staff there at no great cost and maybe had a better option or two.

Even if you don't agree regarding Lohse, you still answered your own question.

 

[Hulavol]

Fellas...we GOT THIS!

Trust 'Ol Hula here.

I have sacrificed a whole pile of live ants today.

 

[thethe]

Do we really need to go over this again? Sure. Hudson's specific injury was not something you could predict, but needing more depth WAS. This was not an unusual year. We used the amount of pitchers we typically do.

Its just not fair to hold this against Wren. Huddy should have been healthy all year and we would have been fine all year with the right amount of depth. Its fair to get on his case about CF/2B and the bullpen not the starting rotation. No team would have started Teheran in AAA this year. That would make no sense.

 

[Dalyn]

Fellas...we GOT THIS!

Trust 'Ol Hula here.

I have sacrificed a whole pile of live ants today.

It better work. Or...

 

[Dalyn]

Its just not fair to hold this against Wren. Huddy should have been healthy all year and we would have been fine all year with the right amount of depth. Its fair to get on his case about CF/2B and the bullpen not the starting rotation. No team would have started Teheran in AAA this year. That would make no sense.

Even if you don't agree regarding Lohse/Teheran, Wren still ignored the depth problem. Saying Huddy should've been ANYTHING is just being silly. You can't do that when you are building a team for a 162-game season.