Waiver deals....

We would have him for 2 years so an extension would still be possible. If he didn’t want to sign we could take the pick and Contreras should be ready by then.
 
Southcack77 said:
Realmuto has great value as a defensive catcher. He's still young. his hitting is a plus, but I know no one is really about giving up anything to upgrade Camargo or Swanson or Inciarte either, so might as well get your offense here.

Flowers is a diminishing proposition. The catching market is weak beyond Grandal and the all offense Ramos.
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In what world is Realmuto a good defensive catcher? He is consistently among the worst in the game at framing.

I say go Grandal and Flowers. Young pitching would benefit from elite framing.
 
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Heyward said:
And Markakis is a FA, and who knows if the Braves keep him or not.

The cost for Realmuto would be big, but if the Braves could extend him, he'd round out an excellent top 4 in the lineup with Albies, Acuna, and Freeman, that's legit.
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Why do people insist on making this “if they can extend him” comment as if extending a catcher into his 30s makes him any more valuable?

Realmuto is valuable because he is being less than he’s worth. Extending him for market rates makes him no more valuable, and quite possibly makes him less valuable.
 
If I were y'all, I'd simply get ready catcher wise. Whatever it is, whether it's a trade or a contract, it's likely going to be a payment at least a few people get mad and throw a fit about. The only thing I will say is while I want Grandal, I'm not going higher than 3 guaranteed. 3 plus an option.
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
If I were y'all, I'd simply get ready catcher wise. Whatever it is, whether it's a trade or a contract, it's likely going to be a payment at least a few people get mad and throw a fit about. The only thing I will say is while I want Grandal, I'm not going higher than 3 guaranteed. 3 plus an option.
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It's probably the one position we can really upgrade. If it's Realmuto, i just hope it isnt an absurd cost.
 
Southcack77 said:
Put you down for being in favor of 5 years/ 80 million for the 30 year old?
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I don't think I ever specified years or amounts... I was mentioning the 2 catchers I would want the most that will likely be available in a perfect world. Grandal and Realmuto are easily the two best names available and 2 of the best in all of baseball. So if that is what it takes to upgrade a position that needs an upgrade bad as we become more and more a contending team? Maybe not quite at that price, but okay.
 
Enscheff said:
In what world is Realmuto a good defensive catcher? He is consistently among the worst in the game at framing.

I say go Grandal and Flowers. Young pitching would benefit from elite framing.
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Yes! You don't go out and get a bat first catcher when you're trying to fill your rotation with pitchers that are barely old enough to drink. A slight improvement in handling the staff is worth more than any catchers bat can produce.

McCann seems like the perfect fit here, we know he is good with young pitchers and won't cost much. Save the prospect capital to upgrade SS, 3B, CF, or RF. Hopefully at least 2 of those are improved by opening day.
 
jpx7 said:
Yea ... no.
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Exactly.

Only two years of control and not exactly cheap years at that.

Not a good framer and would not help our young pitchers.

Contreras will probably be up in 2020, so you only need one year.

I’m just not that big on getting him..especially with the cost. I would rather sign a good stop gap.
 
TheBravos said:
Exactly.

Only two years of control and not exactly cheap years at that.

Not a good framer and would not help our young pitchers.

Contreras will probably be up in 2020, so you only need one year.

I’m just not that big on getting him..especially with the cost. I would rather sign a good stop gap.
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Expecting Contreras to be a good option at 22 for a contending ball club based on one pretty good year in Low A ball is not particularly reasonable.

there is a difference between protecting a possible core piece from trade and being extremely hopeful and pencilling him into the starting lineup at the earliest conceivable time.

I think it could well be a good strategy to pick guys off the scrap heap at catcher. Maybe the Braves are good at finding them and have a competitive advantage there.

It could be a good strategy to sign Grandal to a massive deal.

It could be a strategy to trade for Realmuto.

I'm not really for or against any of those specifically, but I certainly am for deploying the Braves resources to acquire better players somewhere. And it's stupid not to trade some of the prospects. Even the good ones.
 
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Southcack77 said:
Expecting Contreras to be a good option at 22 for a contending ball club based on one pretty good year in Low A ball is not particularly reasonable.

there is a difference between protecting a possible core piece from trade and being extremely hopeful and pencilling him into the starting lineup at the earliest conceivable time.
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I love watching Contreras. It feels like you can see him figuring things out during an at bat or pitch sequence, and he talks to the pitchers and coaches a lot in the dugout. But no way should anyone be putting an ETA on him at this point.

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And it's stupid not to trade some of the prospects. Even the good ones.
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I would amend this to pitching prospects. There just isn't enough position player depth in the farm to trade any of those guys. It's reasonable to expect one of Pache or Waters fills a productive outfield role. Hopefully one of Contreras or Riley is an infield answer. Beyond that there isn't much.
 
Jaw said:
I love watching Contreras. It feels like you can see him figuring things out during an at bat or pitch sequence, and he talks to the pitchers and coaches a lot in the dugout. But no way should anyone be putting an ETA on him at this point.




I would amend this to pitching prospects. There just isn't enough position player depth in the farm to trade any of those guys. It's reasonable to expect one of Pache or Waters fills a productive outfield role. Hopefully one of Contreras or Riley is an infield answer. Beyond that there isn't much.
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Exactly. If I could trade pitching to get him...OK. You will likely lose Pache or Waters....that I’m NOT ok with. Going forward (and we are already seeing it in the lower minors), we will have a LOT less talent. I think it would not be smart to trade any or the few position guys we have that could make it to MLB.

If it was pitchers plus Contreras for Realmuto...sure maybe. We HAVE to sign him long term though. Giving a big package of prospects for a guy that will only be here two years is not the answer.
 
Paying market value for Realmuto in prospects and then possibly in money isn't the best use of resources of Braves. Pass.
 
I dont think we will trade for or sign an elite catcher...the better course imo is to bring back two veterans like Flowers and Suzuki...not necessarily those two though

our organizational philosophy should be to grow our own stars and surround them with solid veterans that dont tie our hands financially...we should prioritize extenting guys like Acuna and Albies, presuming this can be done on team friendly terms
 
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