The Trump Presidency

Law & Order only applies when Trump wants to talk about "crime and immigration".

You didn't expect the guy who won't release his taxes and kept saying he would later and later and later, to think Manafort did anything wrong would you? The white collar crimes Cohen and Manafort have committed are probably the same stuff the Donald is hiding (if not worse).

So of course he's not going to use his law and order schtick with them.
 
Trump brought a tanning bed to the WH and uses it every morning. If he loves the white race so much why is he trying to look darker? I think he has some deep issue with his own natural skin color.
 
Runnin said:
Trump brought a tanning bed to the WH and uses it every morning. If he loves the white race so much why is he trying to look darker? I think he has some deep issue with his own natural skin color.
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that's more a superficial issue than a deep one
 
sturg33 said:
To be clear... while this is obviously breaking a law, it is not something that affects anyone in this country.

We knew he was a slime ball. We knew he paid off the porn star... but we're supposed to be outraged that it came from the campaign?

I mean sure - it's an opportunity to charge him with a crime and I don't blame you for doing it... but it doesn't change the substance of what actually happened and it doesn't affect anyone.

I'd be much more concerned if Trump was a Putin puppet, but nobody seems to be able to prove that one
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That's a really narrow definition of "doesn't affect anyone." I think every citizen has a strong interest in having our democratic processes (including the laws that govern these processes) operate as they are supposed to.

Why would you be concerned with Trump being Putin's puppet unless it can be shown it "affects someone." I don't think there is any proof that Putin pulling Trump's strings affects anyone. Except the two of them. And they are both adults in a consensual relationship, which any good libertarian would want to defend as their right as consenting adults.
 
nsacpi said:
That's a really narrow definition of "doesn't affect anyone." I think every citizen has a strong interest in having our democratic processes (including the laws that govern these processes) operate as they are supposed to.
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yeah, wtf? there's a reason this law is in place (and it's not a misdemeanor). and it potentially had an impact on the election results, so it absolutely has had an affect on us.

this "if it isn't conspiracy with russians then who cares about the multitude of crimes committed!" is such garbage. AGAIN, i'm positive that the people who spew this, including wildly consistent sturg, wouldn't care at all if obama illegally used campaign funds to keep a woman quiet that certainly influenced the direction of a razor thing election win. wouldn't think it's important or necessary to make obama pay the consequences of that felony. nope! felonies are OK if you continue to line the pockets of the rich and are white and racist.
 
Cohen flipping is going to lead to a lot more. I doubt anyone else knows more about Trumps shady dealings more than him. Maybe his kids but I doubt even that.


I bet the Russiar stuff goes back to 1988. I think Trumps been a Russian asset since then. His job was basically to sow discontent and act as a chaos agent. I dont think the plan was ever to win. In fact winning is the plan backfiring. Hillary and the democrats wouldnt have persued an investigation if Trump lost because they would not want it to look like they were persecuting a political opponet. I think the entire goal was to weaken a Hillary Presidency.
 
The picture of Trump looking devastated while everyone around him is congratulating him and happy after he's announced as the winner that night says it all.

It shows a man who wasn't expecting to win but just realized how screwed he was.
 
I have a feeling there are some details about the agreement with AMI that have yet to surface. For example, what did David Pecker receive in exchange for the services he rendered.

From the Washington Post:

What we know now: In August 2015, Cohen; David Pecker, the chairman of AMI; and “one or more members of the campaign” forged an agreement under which AMI would deal with negative stories about Trump’s “relationships with women” by purchasing the stories and then not publishing anything, according to the criminal information filed by federal prosecutors in the Cohen case. (In court, Cohen said he took action “at the request of the candidate” and knew it was illegal.) In August 2016, McDougal was paid $150,000 by AMI for the rights to her story -- which the National Enquirer never published.
 
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cajunrevenge said:
Cohen flipping is going to lead to a lot more. I doubt anyone else knows more about Trumps shady dealings more than him. Maybe his kids but I doubt even that.


I bet the Russiar stuff goes back to 1988. I think Trumps been a Russian asset since then. His job was basically to sow discontent and act as a chaos agent. I dont think the plan was ever to win. In fact winning is the plan backfiring. Hillary and the democrats wouldnt have persued an investigation if Trump lost because they would not want it to look like they were persecuting a political opponet. I think the entire goal was to weaken a Hillary Presidency.
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Cohen is not the top of the totem pole for Trump Org dirt. There are at least a couple of other folks who know far more.
 
nsacpi said:
That's a really narrow definition of "doesn't affect anyone." I think every citizen has a strong interest in having our democratic processes (including the laws that govern these processes) operate as they are supposed to.

Why would you be concerned with Trump being Putin's puppet unless it can be shown it "affects someone." I don't think there is any proof that Putin pulling Trump's strings affects anyone. Except the two of them. And they are both adults in a consensual relationship, which any good libertarian would want to defend as their right as consenting adults.
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Bc it's not new information. We knew he paid her off. Why does it matter where money came from?

It's a broken law, and he should face consequence of it. But that's a far crime from treason
 
"If I ever got impeached, the market would crash. Everybody would be very poor."

TTT (Treasonous Traitor Trump) on Fox.

The indispensable man.
 
nsacpi said:
"If I ever got impeached, the market would crash. Everybody would be very poor."

TTT (Treasonous Traitor Trump) on Fox.

The indispensable man.
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I think the market would be fine. His big policies are through. I would worry about the regulatory environment if the Dems took over though.

Tax reform has been great for business and the consumer
 
sturg33 said:
I think the market would be fine. His big policies are through. I would worry about the regulatory environment if the Dems took over though.

Tax reform has been great for business and the consumer
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I think there is some substance to the argument about the regulatory environment. Obama (and the Dems in general) just piled on the regulations without really thinking about drag they created on the economy. Sure many of those regulations were for good purposes. But many could have been designed in a better way in terms of minimizing the negative economic consequences. I've mentioned the requirements on fuel economy imposed on the auto industry as an example. The goal is worthwhile but was not pursued in an economically efficient way.

As for "tax reform" I think there were a few decent things in there. But the hole in federal finances that it created outweighs the good. There is a short-term stimulus on consumer spending but its the equivalent of a sugar high.

Looking forward to the Pence Presidency, which hopefully will combine sensible small government policies without all the baggage. Anyone who really thinks about TTT should recognize the damage he is doing to the country and its institutions far outweighs any benefit in terms of small improvements in certain areas of policy.
 
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sturg33 said:
Bc it's not new information. We knew he paid her off. Why does it matter where money came from?

It's a broken law, and he should face consequence of it. But that's a far crime from treason
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I'm not arguing whether its new information or not. I'm pushing back against your no harm no foul claim. There is harm from actions that undermine the integrity of the election process, whether it be violations of campaign law or accepting contributions from hostile foreign entities.
 
Trumpland seems split 50/50 between "rule of law" people and "we dont have to respect the law because applied unequally" people. God I miss thethe.
 
the question that hangs out there is did David Pecker receive anything of value in exchange for services rendered
 
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