The Trump Presidency

A DHS staffer who had attended immigration policy meetings at the WH has been found to be a neo-Nazi fellow traveler. That’s on the heels of a WH speechwriter being fired when he was discovered to have given a speech at a white nationalist conference, and Larry Kudlow palling around with a prominent white nationalist.

But the problem, see, is accusations of racism.
 
Jaw said:
His policies have been all anyone who voted for him could have hoped for. His first SC pick falls in the same category, and his second SC pick is good enough.

The noise and belligerence is annoying, but I think anyone not on the left side of the political spectrum has realized that they would have heard non-stop Chicken Littling from the press with anyone from the right as President.

I know a lot of Trump voters. I don't know any who approve of the things that come out of his mouth, or the affairs, or the tweeting, but I also don't know of any who regret voting for him. That's a reflection of where the left side of the political spectrum is these days. Trump is just the beneficiary.
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I think it is a parallel story with Robert Johnson.
Yeah, he got to sing and play that ****, but ...
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Makes one wonder, ... if this is what you have to do to get the SC you want and tax cuts ?
There is a Winston Churchill story that exemplifies my thoughts as well.
You look it up for yourself

Bear in mind, your votes for SC and tax cuts were 3.5 million less.
A minority
But this is what you had to do to get the policies you taut
There is a word ...
 
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Jaw said:
His policies have been all anyone who voted for him could have hoped for. His first SC pick falls in the same category, and his second SC pick is good enough. .
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Death toll in Puerto Rico with only a "fend for yourself" response
ICE
Fiasco with N Korea
Alienated Canada. You voted for that ? (I thought long a hard about whether to include a question mark)
The distractions are collecting guilty pleas and guilty verdicts

You voted to expose your daughters to a man that spoke sexually of his pubescent daughter
Support for Roy Moore -- you voted for that ? But his policies ...
"good people on both sides"
the Muslim Ban ?
The tax give away ( that must be the policy ... )

Canada --- really ? Canada
 
Jaw said:
His policies have been all anyone who voted for him could have hoped for. His first SC pick falls in the same category, and his second SC pick is good enough. .
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And what "policy" absolves him from the fiasco / embarrassment / disrespect that was the official US response to the death of John McCain ?
 
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Jaw said:
His policies have been all anyone who voted for him could have hoped for. His first SC pick falls in the same category, and his second SC pick is good enough.

The noise and belligerence is annoying, but I think anyone not on the left side of the political spectrum has realized that they would have heard non-stop Chicken Littling from the press with anyone from the right as President.

I know a lot of Trump voters. I don't know any who approve of the things that come out of his mouth, or the affairs, or the tweeting, but I also don't know of any who regret voting for him. That's a reflection of where the left side of the political spectrum is these days. Trump is just the beneficiary.
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and this:
The court filings describe other criminal activity by Patten, including obstructing a U.S. Senate inquiry by withholding documents and giving false and misleading testimony to disguise his straw-buyer scheme.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ce=twitter&cmpid==socialflow-twitter-politics
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there is more
 
Jaw said:
but I also don't know of any who regret voting for him.

That's a reflection of where the left side of the political spectrum is these days. Trump is just the beneficiary.
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/the-5-kinds-of-republican-defectors.html

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...rty-defections-trump-utak-20180710-story.html
(this was 2016)
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or stories of Harley Davidson workers, Carrier employees and numerous -numerous other stories that seem to surface on a weekly basis.
Wonder what the people of Hispanic descent that voted for Trump are thinking ?
 
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One question JAW ---

can you think of anyone that voted for HRC that says, " man, Trump's policies !! He has my vote now"

or even Rubio,Cruz Kascich etc etc etc
****, throw in Christie.
Name me a Chris Christie voter that says, "man I was wrong this Trump guy ..."
the phrase Trump over performing is not one readily associated to DJT
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all he has done is rubber stamp (R) / TeaBagg dogma - no different than any of the (R) names I named above.
Why Trump - not say, Rubio? John Kascich ? Ted Cruz ?
Why not ?
 
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Julio3000 said:
A DHS staffer who had attended immigration policy meetings at the WH has been found to be a neo-Nazi fellow traveler. That’s on the heels of a WH speechwriter being fired when he was discovered to have given a speech at a white nationalist conference, and Larry Kudlow palling around with a prominent white nationalist.

But the problem, see, is accusations of racism.
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This is the same line of thinking of "better 1,000 innocent men be jailed than 1 guilty man roam free"

Your accusations of "everybody is a racist" is fun and all, but it doesn't help your cause. I promise.

What policies has the Trump admin put in place are racist?

I was speaking to a liberal today about this... you know what she said? "Black people need our help"

Tell me again, who is racist?
 
sturg33 said:
This is the same line of thinking of "better 1,000 innocent men be jailed than 1 guilty man roam free"

Your accusations of "everybody is a racist" is fun and all, but it doesn't help your cause. I promise.

What policies has the Trump admin put in place are racist?

I was speaking to a liberal today about this... you know what she said? "Black people need our help"

Tell me again, who is racist?
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For starters, I’d take a close look at the folks who keep totally-by-accident hiring white supremacists.
 
sturg33 said:
This is the same line of thinking of "better 1,000 innocent men be jailed than 1 guilty man roam free"

Your accusations of "everybody is a racist" is fun and all, but it doesn't help your cause. I promise.

What policies has the Trump admin put in place are racist?

I was speaking to a liberal today about this... you know what she said? "Black people need our help"

Tell me again, who is racist?
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Hmm. I’ll take “Immigration Policy” for $1000, Alex.
 
sturg33 said:
This is the same line of thinking of "better 1,000 innocent men be jailed than 1 guilty man roam free"

Your accusations of "everybody is a racist" is fun and all, but it doesn't help your cause. I promise.

What policies has the Trump admin put in place are racist?

I was speaking to a liberal today about this... you know what she said? "Black people need our help"

Tell me again, who is racist?
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It's not only policy. He spews racist blather on an almost daily basis and it has a cumulative effect. He knows this, the same way he knows lying about something over and over will eventually take hold with enough people.
 
Julio3000 said:
There is a lot of scaremongering about Roe, but let’s not pretend there also isn’t a multi-decade effort in conservative jurisprudence, and a corresponding effort wrt judicial appointments, to chip away at it and ultimately knock the legs out from underneath it.

This isn’t that.
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Planned Parenthood is doing just fine. They get a lot more money than the NRA from the tax payers for example.. and they actually kill people!
 
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So I’ve got this question for sturg...

Libertarians are often quite sensible about criminal justice reform. You’ve posted about it a bit, but the context is usually that no one is doing anything about it. I responded recently by saying that national-level Dems, with some notable exceptions, are behind the curve (though miles ahead of their counterparts across the aisle) but at the state and local level, Democrats are running and winning on these issues. Not surprisingly, there was no response.

This may be the most consequential development on the score in a while. Do you care to re-evaluate? Seems like the momentum for this issue is on the left...and not the squishy liberal side, but further left.

Seems to me like this is a more meaningful blow struck on the behalf of liberty than tax cuts. You have thoughts?
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Sorry for not responding. I have been traveling quite a bit from work. I do hope you will return the favor across other threads, though.

Meanwhile, I'm kinda confused on why the tweet posted is good for prison reform (not sarcastic).

I admittedly don't follow local elections very much. I trust that you are correct that democrats are doing more progress on prison reform than republicans. I hope you are right.

Feels like this would be more effective as a top down strategy though. I think we could make a lot more progress if the feds supported prison reform.. but they haven't to date. I am optimistic we are heading that way though especially with the progress on drug restrictions loosening.

Anyhow, libertarians will always support personal liberty and treating people as individuals. I think this is the right approach, rather than picking and choosing when the state knows better
 
sturg33 said:
This is the same line of thinking of "better 1,000 innocent men be jailed than 1 guilty man roam free"

Your accusations of "everybody is a racist" is fun and all, but it doesn't help your cause. I promise.
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I’m not even sure what this first paragraph means.

As for the second bit, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Nothing says “everybody is racist” like saying “this guy who socializes with literal neo-Nazis and jokes about a ‘Jew-free space’ is racist.”

An animating energy of Trumpism is white status anxiety. I don’t know how one could deny this with a straight face. You could chop up voter data that finds certain attitudes towards race correlative with support for Trump (as has been done repeatedly) or you could just, I dunno, watch Fox News and get the latest on “unwanted demographic change” and the plight of white farmers in South Africa.

Racism is inextricably intertwined with that side of the political spectrum, and I could literally spend days providing concrete evidence for why that’s the case. You don’t exactly help that case when, instead of just acknowledging the poison and differentiating yourself from it, you spend your energy dismissing and deflecting and suggesting that calling people racist is the real problem.
 
Julio3000 said:
I’m not even sure what this first paragraph means.

As for the second bit, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Nothing says “everybody is racist” like saying “this guy who socializes with literal neo-Nazis and jokes about a ‘Jew-free space’ is racist.”

An animating energy of Trumpism is white status anxiety. I don’t know how one could deny this with a straight face. You could chop up voter data that finds certain attitudes towards race correlative with support for Trump (as has been done repeatedly) or you could just, I dunno, watch Fox News and get the latest on “unwanted demographic change” and the plight of white farmers in South Africa.

Racism is inextricably intertwined with that side of the political spectrum, and I could literally spend days providing concrete evidence for why that’s the case. You don’t exactly help that case when, instead of just acknowledging the poison and differentiating yourself from it, you spend your energy dismissing and deflecting and suggesting that calling people racist is the real problem.
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No one ever accused trump of being racist until he ran for the presidency. There’s plenty of pictures of him accepting awards for the work he’s done for/with minorities

When did trump become racist?
 
sturg33 said:
Sorry for not responding. I have been traveling quite a bit from work. I do hope you will return the favor across other threads, though.

Meanwhile, I'm kinda confused on why the tweet posted is good for prison reform (not sarcastic).

I admittedly don't follow local elections very much. I trust that you are correct that democrats are doing more progress on prison reform than republicans. I hope you are right.

Feels like this would be more effective as a top down strategy though. I think we could make a lot more progress if the feds supported prison reform.. but they haven't to date. I am optimistic we are heading that way though especially with the progress on drug restrictions loosening.

Anyhow, libertarians will always support personal liberty and treating people as individuals. I think this is the right approach, rather than picking and choosing when the state knows better
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To the bolded question, it’s good for criminal justice reform because the prevailing cash bail system results in people being imprisoned pre-trial because they do not have the financial resources to afford bond payments. As a proponent of personal liberty, I’d assume that you’d think that people shouldn’t be denied while awaiting due process.

To the larger point, I agree that I’d rather see more top-down solutions, but the fact is, federal legislation can only control the federal CJ system. So, sure, there is a lot of top-down reform on FEDERAL sentencing guidelines, national drug policy, etc, that could be enacted, but law enforcement and criminal justice are largely state and local issues. My point is that Democrats, and, more specifically, the left wing of same, are passionately and energetically engaged on those issues.
 
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