Braves acquire Gausman + O'Day from Orioles for Zimmermann, Cumberland, Phillips, JCE

sturg33 said:
Pretty sure bWAR looks at what actually happened, whereas fangraphs looks at what should have happened (more predictive)
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Pretty much. When I get serious about player evaluation for pitchers I usually split the difference of the two.
 
thewupk said:
Pretty much. When I get serious about player evaluation for pitchers I usually split the difference of the two.
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So would you then say Gausman has been about as valuable as Archer, over the last three seasons?
 
jpx7 said:
So would you then say Gausman has been about as valuable as Archer, over the last three seasons?
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Sure. Going forward I think you would always value archer due to his stuff but at some point results on the field matter.

I could easily see gausman outperforming archer the next couple of years. I could also see archer totally dominate the nl
 
thewupk said:
Sure. Going forward I think you would always value archer due to his stuff but at some point results on the field matter.

I could easily see gausman outperforming archer the next couple of years. I could also see archer totally dominate the nl
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Agreed. I’m actually surprised it’s been as close as metric valuations say, since it wasn’t that close in my mind. Though the Orioles are admittedly well into the bottom quintile of my attentions.
 
I was surprised Gausman had such similar results as Archer after watching his defense behind him in Baltimore. It seemed multiple "hits" a game might be outs on a good defensive team.
 
Like I've said a couple times, I'd wait to make a full judgement on Gausman. It's possible there's nothing there, but I think this might be Folty pre 2018 Braves FO with the new analytics. Even if not, leaving the AL East, leaving the AL, I think he's a 3.5-4 ERA simply due to that. That may not seem like something exciting, but with his ability to pitch innings, that's a good pitcher to slot into the middle of the rotation and forget about as long as he's healthy as a FO.

However while there might be "something there", I'd temper expectations some, I don't think this ends up being Arrieta all over again.
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
Like I've said a couple times, I'd wait to make a full judgement on Gausman. It's possible there's nothing there, but I think this might be Folty pre 2018 Braves FO with the new analytics. Even if not, leaving the AL East, leaving the AL, I think he's a 3.5-4 ERA simply due to that. That may not seem like something exciting, but with his ability to pitch innings, that's a good pitcher to slot into the middle of the rotation and forget about as long as he's healthy as a FO.

However while there might be "something there", I'd temper expectations some, I don't think this ends up being Arrieta all over again.
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He was impressive in an extra inning game vs the A's in Oakland where he went 9 and gave up two hits. O's scored nothing for him though and lost it in extras 2-0. He could've had a complete game shutout that game with just a run. Hopefully we see him pitch games like that more regularly with us.
 
Ozzie's Chainz said:
Gausman showed glimpses but he must have been having flashbacks of the Baltimore defense.
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I was thinking the same thing. Ha. I think we got a solid 3 in Gausman and I think he'll get a bit better with some analytic help, some better defense and hopefully consistency.
 
I was checking to see how the prospects we traded to the O's did to finish the season after the trade. Everyone of them has been bad to terrible with the O's. While it's a smaller sample it might be we gave almost nothing or at best very little for Gausman.
 
Braves1976 said:
I was checking to see how the prospects we traded to the O's did to finish the season after the trade. Everyone of them has been bad to terrible with the O's. While it's a smaller sample it might be we gave almost nothing or at best very little for Gausman.
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JCE has some potential but other than that, AA fleeced them.
 
Heyward said:
JCE has some potential but other than that, AA fleeced them.
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I still like Zimmermann, but odds are low enough on all of the included players that it stacks as a likely Braves win. Don’t forget absorbing O’Day lessened the Orioles’ ask, though—which in turn may also have precluded acquiring Daniel Murphy.
 
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jpx7 said:
I still like Zimmermann, but odds are low enough on all of the included players that it stacks as a likely Braves win. Don’t forget absorbing O’Day lessened the Orioles’ ask, though—which in turn may also have precluding acquiring Daniel Murphy.
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not sure they'd let murph go to us as they pulled back Reynolds when we were awarded that claim. But maybe they would have due to him being owed more money.
 
Another point to note, had we made a splash for Archer instead of Gausman, we'd not have clinched the division already and in fact this would be still an undecided division. Archer has been pretty bad in Pittsburgh and rarely goes more than 5 too, which would have made our bullpen situation much worse. Gausman going deep in some key games and winning them really helped us.

In August, Archer went 4.1, 5.0, 5.0, 4.0, 4.0 innings per start for Pittsburgh. His best starts came in Sept. vs us when he actually made it 6 inning and his last vs KC where he went 7 after only going 5 inning in his previous start. These type of starts really wear out a bullpen.
 
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