The reports are they are unlikely to trade them short of being blown away. I don't know what that type of package looks like to Jerry Dipoto, but we need to be inquiring. They'd be smart to trade him now. Punting 2019 just wastes a year of control and reduces his value. And he will be 28 in a month. Expecting him to carry your team in 2020 or beyond when he's 30 and getting more expensive is not wise. Of course nothing about their recent moves suggest they make a lot of wise decisions.
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The reports are they are unlikely to trade them short of being blown away. I don't know what that type of package looks like to Jerry Dipoto, but we need to be inquiring. They'd be smart to trade him now. Punting 2019 just wastes a year of control and reduces his value. And he will be 28 in a month. Expecting him to carry your team in 2020 or beyond when he's 30 and getting more expensive is not wise. Of course nothing about their recent moves suggest they make a lot of wise decisions.
I think we can all agree that it would be smart to trade Haniger and the BP arm now.
The question is whether or not the Ms will do so. Their other moves strongly suggest they are planning on a 1-2 year rebuild, and will not be trading either guy. The Ms have proven over the years that they aren’t among the smartest FOs...just the most aggressive.
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
To be fair the move that really points to that is the Zunino trade, which was probably the best value they could get for him. For Paxton they just got the Yankees top pitching prospect who happens to be ready. I don’t know if that precludes them for making a deal for Wright/Riley/Allard or so for Haniger. It may, but generally what they are saying doesn’t convince me yet.
I don't disagree that going after Haniger is a good idea - assuming Dipoto at least gives a sign he's available at some point (which he hasn't yet) - but the discussion has been about trading for BOTH guys. Doing so would gut the system. If AA could somehow land Haniger for a modest overpay, I'm all for that.
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How many quotes do you need to see regarding their intentions before you're convinced? They've consistently said they're not interested in moving either Haniger or Diaz from the beginning. The chatter is fun, but it all comes from reporters, talk radio/TV, and fans.
If I'm looking to be blown away to agree to give up Haniger alone, I'm not sure Wright/Riley/Allard gets it done for me. If I were projecting what Dipoto would ask for, I'd likely say he'd want Pache, Wright, and Touki or Wilson or he'd pass. Does that cause AA to walk away? I don't know, but it's probably getting close. (As for me, I could probably live with that if it were Wilson - slide Acuna over to CF if you're able to move Ender at some point and shift one of Riley/Camargo to LF.)
Don't forget this is someone who doesn't give a *amn about value charts - that's not going to change if he's only trading one player instead of two.
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Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
It doesn’t matter. They might not move them, but GMs constantly say they won’t move someone then they do.
Current payroll following the Mac and Donaldson signings is ~ $111 million.
If you assume Duvall and Freeman will be cut loose,that puts it around $106.5 million.
A Newk for Peralta swap would bump it to ~ $114 million.
Just not sure how you "replace" Newk, while addressing a TOR starter and add a back-end arm IF there's not at least 20-25 million more to spend.
That $20-$25 million would fit the original mention of $50 million to spend. That would have put Opening Day salaries around $130 million - $23.5 million left today. If you throw out a deal for a TOR arm and spend 15 million 2019 dollars on McCutchen and Joyce (paying McCutchen extra in 2020 when you have a little extra flexibility) you could still fit a back-end piece in (maybe structuring his deal to pay a bit extra in 2020 as well).
A Donaldson, McCutchen, Familia, Mac, Joyce offseason would be one *elluva winter.
If you assume Duvall and Freeman will be cut loose,that puts it around $106.5 million.
A Newk for Peralta swap would bump it to ~ $114 million.
Just not sure how you "replace" Newk, while addressing a TOR starter and add a back-end arm IF there's not at least 20-25 million more to spend.
That $20-$25 million would fit the original mention of $50 million to spend. That would have put Opening Day salaries around $130 million - $23.5 million left today. If you throw out a deal for a TOR arm and spend 15 million 2019 dollars on McCutchen and Joyce (paying McCutchen extra in 2020 when you have a little extra flexibility) you could still fit a back-end piece in (maybe structuring his deal to pay a bit extra in 2020 as well).
A Donaldson, McCutchen, Familia, Mac, Joyce offseason would be one *elluva winter.
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For those interested in accurate numbers and actual math, here is the current payroll with $0 at cOF and a bench spot:
# Pos Player 2019 Salary
1 C Flowers $4.00
2 1B Freeman $21.00
3 2B Albies $0.55
4 3B Donaldson $23.00
5 SS Swanson $0.55
6 LF Acuna $0.55
7 CF Inciarte $5.00
8 RF Trade/FA $0.00
9 SP1 Teheran $11.00
10 SP2 Folty $5.50
11 SP3 Gausman $9.20
12 SP4 Newk $0.55
13 SP5 Touki $0.55
14 BN1 Culberson $1.40
15 BN2 Duvall $3.10
16 BN3 Camargo $0.55
17 BN4 Backup OF $0.00
18 BN5 McCann $2.00
19 BP1 O'Day $8.00
20 BP2 Viz $4.80
21 BP3 Freeman $1.50
22 BP4 Venters $1.50
23 BP5 Minter $0.55
24 BP6 Winkler $1.60
25 BP7 Fried $0.55
Total $107.00
# Pos Player 2019 Salary
1 C Flowers $4.00
2 1B Freeman $21.00
3 2B Albies $0.55
4 3B Donaldson $23.00
5 SS Swanson $0.55
6 LF Acuna $0.55
7 CF Inciarte $5.00
8 RF Trade/FA $0.00
9 SP1 Teheran $11.00
10 SP2 Folty $5.50
11 SP3 Gausman $9.20
12 SP4 Newk $0.55
13 SP5 Touki $0.55
14 BN1 Culberson $1.40
15 BN2 Duvall $3.10
16 BN3 Camargo $0.55
17 BN4 Backup OF $0.00
18 BN5 McCann $2.00
19 BP1 O'Day $8.00
20 BP2 Viz $4.80
21 BP3 Freeman $1.50
22 BP4 Venters $1.50
23 BP5 Minter $0.55
24 BP6 Winkler $1.60
25 BP7 Fried $0.55
Total $107.00
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forward over that spreadsheet
Since Dansby made $565,000, Albies, Camargo, Newcomb, and Minter made $555,000 in 2018 and Collective Bargaining rules won't allow them to take salary cuts, those numbers aren't "accurate" either. They'll all receive more than $550,000 in 2019.
Don't let that get in the way of proving you're still a prick though.
I include minimum salaries at $600,000 in my figures since there's no way of guessing whether the Braves decide to reward players who can simply be renewed following really good seasons. Expecting them to roll Acuna and Albies over at the bare-minimum is beyond ridiculous since they gave Dansby an extra $20,000 more than last year's minimum coming off his *hitty 2017 season. I also include all potential bonuses for veterans (no matter how attainable) since the organization will be responsible for paying those in the event those players reach them.
What a dumb ass.
Great, so that accounts for an additional ~$200k. You're still way off.
Learn how to use Excel maybe? I know you don't need PC skills to be a realtor's assistant, but come on man...don't try to pass yourself off as an expert if you can't even add up salaries correctly.
Albies for Dee Gordon...am I right?? Derrrrrrpppppp!!!! Heard it on XM...derrrrrpppppp!!!
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bravesfanforlife88
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Some people estimate the Braves to have about $125-$130 for opening day payroll...i'm thinking we stay around the $120-125m, unless the right move presented itself before
That being said, I would DFA Duvall and Sam Freeman. I would replace Freeman in the pen with Sobatka at a cheaper option saving ~$1m
I would see if anyone would take Teheran off our hands and pick up as much of the $11m as possible. Replace him in the rotation with Soroka/Freid/Touki/Wilson/etc.
That should free up some money to look for a respectable cOF, veteran SP, and maybe a bench piece.
Haha, what happened to your “extend Freeman to increase flexibility” line you so vigorously defended a few months ago?
Have you ever said anything that wasn’t moronic?
$130M would be awesome, and based on current rumors I think that may be closer to the figure than $120M.
I would not dump Freeman. Proven average or better MLB pitchers for $1.5M are plenty useful.
bravesfanforlife88
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I'm thinking closer to the $120m to save some money for the deadline. If we have $130m opening day payroll with another $10m or so at the deadline i'd be ecstatic!
So moving Freeman would be to save ~$1m now. Sobotka showed that he was ready last year and I want to see him get a full season
The Braves used 30 pitchers last year. Literally, 30 pitchers. There is no reason to dump Freeman's $1.5M to make room for a young pitcher with options. AA has shown a strong desire to keep arms in the system, and I expect the same moving forward.
The Braves year end payroll was $133M last year, and should be higher this year. There is probably room for a $125M-$130M opening day payroll with room to bump it to $140M+ if they are contending at the deadline. I expect them to be in on every single big name trade candidate at the 2019 deadline.