2018 Offseason And Targets

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Cano/Diaz plus 20M for Kelenic, Dunn, Swarzak, Batista, and Bruce per Heyman, oof.
 
Not a good trade for NY. But that's good for us. I see Cano falling off a cliff. They'd have been better off signing Kimbrel and Lowrie, imo. Or resigning Familia if you don't want to pay Kimbrel
 
Carp said:
Not a good trade for NY. But that's good for us. I see Cano falling off a cliff. They'd have been better off signing Kimbrel and Lowrie, imo. Or resigning Familia if you don't want to pay Kimbrel
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The trade is mostly about Diaz who is really ****ing good, but doing that to take on Cano is bad even if he's good for the next 2-3 years (big risk)
 
I get that. But for the price they're paying for Diaz and Cano, they could just sign Kimbrel and keep the prospects.
 
Carp said:
I get that. But for the price they're paying for Diaz and Cano, they could just sign Kimbrel and keep the prospects.
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Kimbrel's not that good anymore, at least at the money hes gonna command. Unpopular take, whatevers.
 
I'd try to get Peralta from Arizona as he had a .946 OPS vs righties while he struggled vs lefties. Good player to pair with Duvall and/or Camargo too.
 
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zbhargrove said:
No I never said I know he's available, read much? Certainly seems quite clear he's more available than Merrifield just by simple deduction. Whether he is or not, who knows? I certainly never said I know he's available but thanks for doing your assumption thing you do every time someone points out your stupid posts.
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"And we know Haniger is likely available if we can perk the M's interest."

That didn't come directly from your post???

"Deducing" things typically leads to the same things "assuming" things does.

Your post sounds like we could somehow interest the Mariners in trading a player every report says they're not going to trade when they're calling their situation a "re-imiganing", yet we somehow couldn't interest the Royals in trading someone they've said they're not interested in trading without an overpay when they've admitted to everyone on the planet that they're in the middle of a full-on rebuild.
 
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Heyward said:
Kimbrel's not that good anymore, at least at the money hes gonna command. Unpopular take, whatevers.
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This is completely false. Kimbrel's numbers this year were right in line with career averages and in 2017 had one of the most dominant seasons for a reliever in the history of the sport. His velocity dipped this year, but that's only after it peaked in 2017.

People are letting his 2nd half and dumb Red Sox fans cloud their judgment. He's still every bit as elite of a closer as he was 5 years ago.
 
nsacpi said:
I think there are circumstances where going to Muk as a fallback option might make sense. Several different things would have to happen. First, the market for McCutchen and Brantley would have to be strong, allowing them to command four year deals. Second, trade options such as Peralta might not materialize. Third, an opportunity to strengthen the team at reasonable cost in other areas (say a starting pitcher such as Carrasco or Greinke) might materialize. If those things happen we could bring back Muk and strengthen the team elsewhere.
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Not sure I could see this part happening, but also not sure we've seen much to think the other parts of that aren't the case - at least at on December 1st.

Until Harper picks a landing spot, it's next to impossible to establish the market for Pollock, Brantley, and McCutchen, plus you've got all the potential trade chips depending on where those four land.

Sure it seems WAY out there, but there was one rumor floated about the Dodgers and Indians involving Puig and Kluber. Can't imagine who that makes sense to and who else would have to be involved, but if that (and the rumor that Harper's not interested in living in Philadelphia) lands Harper in LA, that suddenly leaves the next three guys as the targets for the Phillies' "stupid money", and so on. Would the Dodgers trade Puig AND Pederson or Verdugo for Kluber and sign Harper???

I could see Markakis as the last resort fallback if Pollock/Brantley/McCutchen are all looking at deals in the 4 or more year/$60 million or more range and Nick's market crashes and all he can get is a one-year deal from us for $5 million or less. You could then see Riley as the long-term LF if Donaldson were extended.

Not particularly interested in Keuchel any more than anybody else is, but if that Cafardo report's true maybe it signals that AA actually does have more money to spend than we think he does. Awfully hard to imagine Alex spending the type of money he'd have to to get Keuchel while leaving LF AND the pen as is. FanGraphs projects him for 4/$19.5 million and MLBTR for 4/20.5 million. Only ~ $5 million left for LF and the pen? Going to have to be one *elluva trade coming if you're not going with Camargo/Duvall or Riley out there, and playing Johan as your primary guy leaves Mac as your bench "upgrade" unless Markakis becomes the corner guy.

Really, really hard to see us spending big one one of the free-agent arms - and if AA were going to blow the budget on one (including a Greinke deal), it's tougher not to see Corbin or Eovaldi as the one he blows it on. Sure would be beyond awesome if Bowman's pie-in-the-sky numbers were right and we could somehow play on a Keuchel/Corbin/Eovaldi-level rotation piece AND Gonzalez though!
 
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Heyward said:
They're trading Thor according to most people and i dont even know what they could trade for Kluber.
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McNeil would likely be the centerpiece since the Mets now have Cano and the Indians are looking for good, affordable position players in return for 1 of their starters.
 
Given the relationship AA has with the Dodgers' front office he might have some idea regarding their chances of signing Harper and trading Pederson.
 
Not a big fan of the rumored interest in Keuchel but I will be happy if we get through this offseason without trading our top prospects.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Not a big fan of the rumored interest in Keuchel but I will be happy if we get through this offseason without trading our top prospects.
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yeah... I’m not a huge fan at all of that rumor. On the other hand, I’m more than happy, and probably welcome, trading top prospects as long as it’s a package for a legit and needed bat or TOR arm; preferably bat though.
 
clvclv said:
"And we know Haniger is likely available if we can perk the M's interest."

That didn't come directly from your post???

"Deducing" things typically leads to the same things "assuming" things does.

Your post sounds like we could somehow interest the Mariners in trading a player every report says they're not going to trade when they're calling their situation a "re-imiganing", yet we somehow couldn't interest the Royals in trading someone they've said they're not interested in trading without an overpay when they've admitted to everyone on the planet that they're in the middle of a full-on rebuild.
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I see we are having a hard time understanding the meaning of the word likely
 
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