Global Events & Politics Überthread
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sturg33
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Still hoping to learn more behind the riots if you don't mind elaborating
I don't need to elaborate for you.
From reading your posts on this subject already, you seem to already have convinced yourself you know more than anyone here about what's going on there. Must be nice to post so confidently that you're the only educated grown up in the room who has knowledge on these things, then conveniently and snarkily say from time to time "I'd be happy to be learn more on this".
Classic both-sides libertarian stance. Take strong stances on things only you care about, then take "neutral" stances on things that don't concern you but still act as if you know more about those subjects than people who probably know more than you. Reminds me a little bit of Individual-1. No wonder why you get so worked up debating with people here who disagree with you.
sturg33
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You alright there?
I posted a point about riots being centered around carbon tax in France.
You said it's more complicated than that
I asked you (twice) to elaborate.
You refuse and go on a tangent about libertarians and then very ironically compare me to Trump in the same post.
I'm up for a dialogue on the subject... but as usual, any opinion that doesn't fall right in line with the groupthink is considered illegitimate.
So if you're willing to engage in a discussion on the topic, I'm all ears. It seems to be a big global event on a topic that is gaining steam in this country, and thus relevant of discussion (but I of course realize this falls outside of the purview of Russia)
I posted a point about riots being centered around carbon tax in France.
You said it's more complicated than that
I asked you (twice) to elaborate.
You refuse and go on a tangent about libertarians and then very ironically compare me to Trump in the same post.
I'm up for a dialogue on the subject... but as usual, any opinion that doesn't fall right in line with the groupthink is considered illegitimate.
So if you're willing to engage in a discussion on the topic, I'm all ears. It seems to be a big global event on a topic that is gaining steam in this country, and thus relevant of discussion (but I of course realize this falls outside of the purview of Russia)
You do this with everything though sturg.
You go into every topic, mock the other side, post arrogantly your beliefs on this issue as if you know more about it than others (the Russian Collusion thread is full of examples of this). Then you snarkily always throw in that you're willing to debate or discuss said subject or learn more about it, after already putting your foot down that you know more about the person than you're trying to have a debate with.
You complain that you can't ever get any traction in any debates here and constantly play the victim card that you're the lone dissenting voice in an echo chamber. You complain these debates run in circles, then you go to the next subject and run in the same circles with the same posters and blame those posters for what you perceive is wrong with this world. It's a tired act, and I don't feel like entertaining it because it gets nowhere. If you really care about learning more about the subject, go learn more about it. But as I said, you and smoltzie seem to know more about this subject than anyone else here do just from reading your posts on it.
I was simply commenting that I seem to notice this type of debate style with libertarians more and more online and in real-life. It gets nowhere. You can't debate or reason or negotiate with zero.
Your initial post had less to do about riots and was simply baiting others to continue the discussion on teargas and Macron, continuing the border discussion from previously about Trump encouraging the teargas usage and whatabout Obama.
Cajun replied about protesters protesting, and you changed the subject about taxes after that. Your initial post was clearly bait trolling about tear gas once again. Your intention was never to have an actual spirited debate with good intentions. Your initial post was proof of that.
sturg33
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Trust me I understand that a topic not involving endless speculation about Russia or impeachment is not allowed, but seemed like ****ing France rioting over their socialist government further raising taxes and gassing its own people was worth chatting about considering we're all "obsessed" with our new socialist darling in the US who wants to the exact same thing.
Back to what the people want:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...s/news-story/008178cd995c83ecdbe172840121d27f
I'm sorry, when have I banned discussion here again? This sub-forum doesn't even have a moderator assigned to it like the baseball board.
✓ Snark Comeback
✓ Arrogant Response
✓ Play Victim Card
✓ Deflect with obsession with AOC when nobody mentioned her yet again.
All in one post, yet again. I'll say it again, it's no wonder why you get worked up on this board for no reason.
sturg33
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✓ still unable to elaborate/contribute to the discussion point
Do you actually think I think you've banned content? It was a joke (some may call it snark)
It's just apparent that the remaining 4 other people on this board care to only discuss those two topics.
I'm off to go organize an anti-AOC protest. Goodnight board leader
Do you actually think I think you've banned content? It was a joke (some may call it snark)
It's just apparent that the remaining 4 other people on this board care to only discuss those two topics.
I'm off to go organize an anti-AOC protest. Goodnight board leader
It's hard to know with you.
You're so paranoid about social media companies banning free speech, you've probably convinced yourself it's already happening/happened here too since you took a break from the board already.
You're so paranoid about social media companies banning free speech, you've probably convinced yourself it's already happening/happened here too since you took a break from the board already.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Yep.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Not really true. I have recently posted on discrimination in the world of classical music and climate change over a 100,000 year timescale. We have a pretty good variety of topics. But imo it is only right that the main topic at the moment is having a president in the oval office who appears to have aided and abetted efforts by an adversary to undermine our democratic processes. I think that's a pretty big deal. And the desire on the part of many to avert their gaze on this matter is also worth discussion
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
here we are in rare agreement...he's a miniature Kim Jong Un...power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
Gonna address a few things from a few threads.
- I posted the list of demands by the yellow vest protesters. The fuel tax was suspended and protests have only intensified since. Like the kids are Evergreen college once the protesters saw their tactics working they moved the goalposts. To say that it is protesting socialism is not true in the least bit. Stop getting your news from r/the_donald, which happens to be the least open forum I have ever run across in my 25 years on the Internet. France is so far to the left that American Democrats at best would be moderates over there if not considered conservative. There are some right wing protesters but by in large the French love socialism. The issue with the gas tax was that its a tax on the poorest people and the protesters want more taxes on the rich and more entitlements programs. They are are suffering the inevitable consequences of the socialist policies they voted for and asked for. Now that those policies have ****ed them over they demand further left policies to "fix" it. Macron knows if he gives in to their demands it will wreck the country even further for which he will then be blamed. So he is caught in damned if you do damned if you dont situation. To quote a dead man "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover that they can vote themsleves generous gifts from the treasury.
- I dont want to hear any complaints about free speech on here. If I can openly cheer dead cops without any pushback from moderators then your complaints are overblown. Only thing anyone has ever said to me about what I post is making vague threats about Trump and Sessions while venting which is understandable given the law, although its so commonplace with the Trump admin that its really unenforceable.
- As for the issue with the school teacher, that guy is just using his religion as an excuse to be a cunt. I dont support geneder reassignment surgery under any circumstances which according to a lot of Libertarians I talk to in other circles makes me not a true Libertarian. I dont give a **** if a boy wants to dress as a girl, doesnt effect me. While I dont want to give up the right to say what I feel, when faced with the situation I try to be respectful of people. This teacher being a cunt because he thinks a magic man in the sky disapproves is retarded. Personally the only language I will accept as being forcibly censored is the N word. Maybe thats not Libertarian of me but while I will not take the blame for what happened to black people in the past I think all of us a whole atleast can do that one small gesture. I am not above using the word in the right context or to make a point but I also dont agree that using the word automatically makes a person a racist.
- I think many of us are guilty of pushing a narrative or topics we want to discuss. I might be the most guilty of that but I also dont complain if people want to ignore me. I personally get nothing out of discussion with like minded people. I would rather be 1 Libertarian discussing with 50 Liberals and 50 Conservatives than 100 Libertarians. I know what I believe. I dont need an echo chamber or a political safe space to reinforce my beliefs. I dont think many people really come here with an open mind to discuss and I wish people would take a step back from time to time and reconsider their own beliefs. Why do they believe them. Can you accept being wrong?
- I posted the list of demands by the yellow vest protesters. The fuel tax was suspended and protests have only intensified since. Like the kids are Evergreen college once the protesters saw their tactics working they moved the goalposts. To say that it is protesting socialism is not true in the least bit. Stop getting your news from r/the_donald, which happens to be the least open forum I have ever run across in my 25 years on the Internet. France is so far to the left that American Democrats at best would be moderates over there if not considered conservative. There are some right wing protesters but by in large the French love socialism. The issue with the gas tax was that its a tax on the poorest people and the protesters want more taxes on the rich and more entitlements programs. They are are suffering the inevitable consequences of the socialist policies they voted for and asked for. Now that those policies have ****ed them over they demand further left policies to "fix" it. Macron knows if he gives in to their demands it will wreck the country even further for which he will then be blamed. So he is caught in damned if you do damned if you dont situation. To quote a dead man "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover that they can vote themsleves generous gifts from the treasury.
- I dont want to hear any complaints about free speech on here. If I can openly cheer dead cops without any pushback from moderators then your complaints are overblown. Only thing anyone has ever said to me about what I post is making vague threats about Trump and Sessions while venting which is understandable given the law, although its so commonplace with the Trump admin that its really unenforceable.
- As for the issue with the school teacher, that guy is just using his religion as an excuse to be a cunt. I dont support geneder reassignment surgery under any circumstances which according to a lot of Libertarians I talk to in other circles makes me not a true Libertarian. I dont give a **** if a boy wants to dress as a girl, doesnt effect me. While I dont want to give up the right to say what I feel, when faced with the situation I try to be respectful of people. This teacher being a cunt because he thinks a magic man in the sky disapproves is retarded. Personally the only language I will accept as being forcibly censored is the N word. Maybe thats not Libertarian of me but while I will not take the blame for what happened to black people in the past I think all of us a whole atleast can do that one small gesture. I am not above using the word in the right context or to make a point but I also dont agree that using the word automatically makes a person a racist.
- I think many of us are guilty of pushing a narrative or topics we want to discuss. I might be the most guilty of that but I also dont complain if people want to ignore me. I personally get nothing out of discussion with like minded people. I would rather be 1 Libertarian discussing with 50 Liberals and 50 Conservatives than 100 Libertarians. I know what I believe. I dont need an echo chamber or a political safe space to reinforce my beliefs. I dont think many people really come here with an open mind to discuss and I wish people would take a step back from time to time and reconsider their own beliefs. Why do they believe them. Can you accept being wrong?
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
When did this happen? I must have missed a meeting.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Can someone clarify something about the French protests for me?
Two different members of the board, both nominally of the libertarian bent, are simultaneously saying that the protests are for and against socialist policy. Does it have to be one or the other or could it possibly be some combination of both and thereby not easily reducible to simple categorization?
Two different members of the board, both nominally of the libertarian bent, are simultaneously saying that the protests are for and against socialist policy. Does it have to be one or the other or could it possibly be some combination of both and thereby not easily reducible to simple categorization?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
it is a case of the les francais behaving like the les francais
they want something for nothing
in this they are very similar to the italians and greeks
there are large swatches of the electorate in many countries (including here) who have become very immature and unrealistic in their expectations
i think a lot of these countries would benefit from a Thatcher-like leader...but alas i see none on the horizon
sorry for stepping in with my take...i'm sure you'd rather hear from the two libertarians
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Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
In my experience with France and the French (I worked for a French company and travelled there a bit, though quite a while ago) this is not too far off. When I went there as a student there were transit strikes and farmers dumping potatoes on train tracks. Later, when I was there in a professional capacity, some people were pissed at Sarkozy and the movement towards liberalization of the economy and dismantling of the welfare state, and some were pissed because they wanted more of it. But everyone was pissed, more or less all the time, and unlike here, willing to hit the streets.
I know very little of what’s going on there now, but superficially it looks like kinda familiar from my previous experiences, which is that everyone wants socialism for me, but not necessarily for thee...which contains a sort of a contradiction, but so be it.
I know very little of what’s going on there now, but superficially it looks like kinda familiar from my previous experiences, which is that everyone wants socialism for me, but not necessarily for thee...which contains a sort of a contradiction, but so be it.