Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

57Brave said:
Paul Manafort made millions around the world by interpreting campaign data as did Karl rove - to name 2
Why else would these toxic people be paid exurbanite amounts for an overstated skill

why was Manafort hired in the first place ?
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Bear in mind, there were five targeted counties that swung the electoral college.
Thinking the targeted data was key to those five being identified and how were they held in line.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-pollster-says-the-election-came-down-to-five-counties
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Paul Manafort most decidedly did not make his millions by 'interpreting campaign data'. He made it by selling access and acting as a kind of for-profit, unofficial diplomat.

He was hired to whip delegates at the convention and add structural legitimacy to the campaign.
 
Hawk said:
Paul Manafort most decidedly did not make his millions by 'interpreting campaign data'. He made it by selling access and acting as a kind of for-profit, unofficial diplomat.

He was hired to whip delegates at the convention and add structural legitimacy to the campaign.
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He was hired to whip delegates at the convention...then three months later he was elevated to chair the campaign. Seems like that’s relevant.
 
Seems like elevating a guy with his particular skill set and Rolodex to the top spot kind of speaks for itself, no? You’re arguing about how many data angels can dance on the head of a pin, and perhaps you’re right, but it seems like rather an excercise that depends on missing the forest for the trees.
 
Speaks for itself in what way?

I don't understand what argument it is that you think I'm making.
 
Julio3000 said:
Seems like elevating a guy with his particular skill set and Rolodex to the top spot kind of speaks for itself, no? You’re arguing about how many data angels can dance on the head of a pin, and perhaps you’re right, but it seems like rather an excercise that depends on missing the forest for the trees.
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I will put it out there for discussion that Manafatov might have been hired due to his previous work for various oligarchs not despite them
 
thethe said:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/10/fusion-gps-russia-false-flag/

Since Nsacpi brought it up this is exactly what I am talking about when the left clutches its pearls over Russia but ignores other efforts by other organizations that i guess are considered american.

What Russia did or may have done is no different then lets say nbc for releasing the access Hollywood tape.
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Thats kind of what opposition parties are supposed to do. You might have a point if we had a democratic president but we have a Republican president and a guy who is in the running for most conservative as the AG up until recently. If you think there was/is any legitimate evidence and they are just choosing not to investigate/prosecute then you are very naive.
 
In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

Mr. Trump had caught the attention of F.B.I. counterintelligence agents when he called on Russia during a campaign news conference in July 2016 to hack into the emails of his opponent, Hillary Clinton. Mr. Trump had refused to criticize Russia on the campaign trail, praising President Vladimir V. Putin. And investigators had watched with alarm as the Republican Party softened its convention platform on the Ukraine crisis in a way that seemed to benefit Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

As I have noted before: just because something happens in broad daylight should not carry undue weight in our assessment of whether it constitutes criminal behavior or carries national security risk.
 
from the article linked above:

And when a newly inaugurated Mr. Trump sought a loyalty pledge from Mr. Comey and later asked that he end an investigation into the president’s national security adviser, the requests set off discussions among F.B.I. officials about opening an inquiry into whether Mr. Trump had tried to obstruct that case.

But law enforcement officials put off the decision to open the investigation until they had learned more, according to people familiar with their thinking. As for a counterintelligence inquiry, they concluded that they would need strong evidence to take the sensitive step of investigating the president, and they were also concerned that the existence of such an inquiry could be leaked to the news media, undermining the entire investigation into Russia’s meddling in the election.

After Mr. Comey was fired on May 9, 2017, two more of Mr. Trump’s actions prompted them to quickly abandon those reservations.

The first was a letter Mr. Trump wanted to send to Mr. Comey about his firing, but never did, in which he mentioned the Russia investigation. In the letter, Mr. Trump thanked Mr. Comey for previously telling him he was not a subject of the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation.

Mr. Trump’s aides have said that a fuller examination of his comments demonstrates that he did not fire Mr. Comey to end the Russia inquiry. “I might even lengthen out the investigation, but I have to do the right thing for the American people,” Mr. Trump added. “He’s the wrong man for that position.”

F.B.I. officials viewed their decision to move quickly as validated when a comment the president made to visiting Russian officials in the Oval Office shortly after he fired Mr. Comey was revealed days later.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to a document summarizing the meeting. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
 
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But hey, we need another recycling of previously reported information under the guise that its something new.

Carry on
 
All these things did happen. And we have been aware of them for some time.

We have also been treated to the spectacle of the president meeting with Putin and publicly siding with him when he has denied any Russian activity to influence the elections.
 
nsacpi said:
All these things did happen. And we have been aware of them for some time.

We have also been treated to the spectacle of the president meeting with Putin and publicly siding with him when he has denied any Russian activity to influence the elections.
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Clearly this is collusion.

How many days of jail did Papa D get again? The lynchpin of the case as per the democratic members of the intelligence committee?

How about Carter Paige? Surely, these guilty men paid for their sins.
 
The fact that the FBI found cause to investigate a president for possibly acting on behalf of Russia IS a story of some magnitude. And yes, I'm being rather understated in characterizing it that way.
 
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nsacpi said:
The fact that the FBI found cause to investigate a president for possibly acting on behalf of Russia IS a story of some magnitude. And yes, I'm being rather understated in characterizing it that way.
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Oh man you are going to die with the ship.

The FBI was the enforcement hand of a corrupt presidency. The truth is coming out and the full extent of what took place will be made known to the world before our lives are over my friend. I hope when that time comes we will still have a contact point to discuss.
 
I would add that for the FBI to take such a momentous step, it very likely had other information that also contributed to its concerns. Information beyond what is outlined in the Times article.
 
thethe said:
Oh man you are going to die with the ship.

The FBI was the enforcement hand of a corrupt presidency. The truth is coming out and the full extent of what took place will be made known to the world before our lives are over my friend. I hope when that time comes we will still have a contact point to discuss.
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Yes. I know, Mifsud was Obama's fishing buddy.
 
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