Wren Interested in Bringing Hudson Back

The best way to get your Ace is develop him. Buying or trading for one is way too costly.

St Louis plucked ours out of the minors in Wainwright.

We should have tried for Price 3 years ago. Not now.

We got great years out of Jurrjens by grabbing him as a prospect. Smoltz and Glavine, same. Only Maddux was brought in as an Ace via FA and gave us a discount when our payroll was at it's peak. The Hudson trade was a coup to say the least. I think the CBI is still investigating that theft. And Huddy's contract was very manageable.

To overpay for a Grienke, Lee, Halladay, etc is not wise especially with our payroll.

You need to grab these guys as prospects and be patient. Otherwise you find yourself in a Phillies' situation with a ton of payroll locked up on 5 guys.

One more note. Missing on a prospect will not cost you on payroll nearly as much as losing a Halladay and having him under contract for 3 years ala Mike Hampton. You may lose the players you trade for the prospect if it doesn't pan out. But you still have your payroll room should the prospect not work out.
 
Bravephoton said:
The best way to get your Ace is develop him. Buying or trading for one is way too costly.

St Louis plucked ours out of the minors in Wainwright.

We should have tried for Price 3 years ago. Not now.

We got great years out of Jurrjens by grabbing him as a prospect. Smoltz and Glavine, same. Only Maddux was brought in as an Ace via FA and gave us a discount when our payroll was at it's peak. The Hudson trade was a coup to say the least. I think the CBI is still investigating that theft. And Huddy's contract was very manageable.
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Some years back, Curt Schilling spoke about why the Braves didn't win more World Championships. He said that it was due to the lack of hard throwing starters in the post season (apparently excluding Smoltz). He was certainly qualified to assess the situation, from having faced the Braves and beat them, not to mention the fact that there was a standing offer to acquire him for years.

Said this before and it bears repeating - the organization is following the same template that they followed, during the late 80's. That is to stockpile (through drafting or by trades) as much young pitching as possible. Some will develop as starters, some as relievers, some as assets to address other needs. Some of course will fizzle or get hurt. Despite 2 WS appearances, both could've been won, they identified the need for another ace, Maddux, as you mentioned.

Now, the staff is still very inexperienced. They should feel confident that Minor is has become very good. Medlen is inconsistent, despite showing flashes of greatness. Teheran is still a work in progress (sometimes outstanding but still prone to getting lit up). Hudson, if he returns, is more of a #3 type of guy, but his presense will certainly make the younger guys better. Beachy is recovering but should bounce back. Wood is raw with excellent potential. It's a great rotation, but does it compete with the Cards and Dodgers?

Wren's going to keep his eye on the market. It may not be Price, but if can obtain an ace (even for 2-3 year window) to improve the club, he'll try and pull the trigger.
 
Wren hasn't had the best of luck with acquiring talent but it's not all his fault either. Kawakami, Lowe, Uggla, B.J., all guys that looked good on paper and just failed to live up to their potential. We can keep praying for B.J. but I'm pulling for Schafer to stay healthy and build on what he started this year in the 1st half.
 
Knucksie said:
Some years back, Curt Schilling spoke about why the Braves didn't win more World Championships. He said that it was due to the lack of hard throwing starters in the post season (apparently excluding Smoltz). He was certainly qualified to assess the situation, from having faced the Braves and beat them, not to mention the fact that there was a standing offer to acquire him for years.

Said this before and it bears repeating - the organization is following the same template that they followed, during the late 80's. That is to stockpile (through drafting or by trades) as much young pitching as possible. Some will develop as starters, some as relievers, some as assets to address other needs. Some of course will fizzle or get hurt. Despite 2 WS appearances, both could've been won, they identified the need for another ace, Maddux, as you mentioned.

Now, the staff is still very inexperienced. They should feel confident that Minor is has become very good. Medlen is inconsistent, despite showing flashes of greatness. Teheran is still a work in progress (sometimes outstanding but still prone to getting lit up). Hudson, if he returns, is more of a #3 type of guy, but his presense will certainly make the younger guys better. Beachy is recovering but should bounce back. Wood is raw with excellent potential. It's a great rotation, but does it compete with the Cards and Dodgers?

Wren's going to keep his eye on the market. It may not be Price, but if can obtain an ace (even for 2-3 year window) to improve the club, he'll try and pull the trigger.
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Schilling is right on the mark. You win in the post-season by taking the bat out of the other team's hands. Glavine and Maddux are future HOFers, but they were pitch-to-contact/ball-in-play guys. Everybody kicks it up a notch in the post-season and guys like Glavine and Maddux don't have an extra gear.
 
Other than wins/losses Glavine's career postseason numbers are better than/comparable to his career regular season numbers. He found that extra gear. Same with Maddux, who had something like a 2.10 ERA in the World Series for his career. Pitching did not cost the Braves very often.
 
weso1 said:
I don't get that either. When healthy Beachy is an ace. No way you give up on him yet. Gotta have that arm in the rotation. Hale is a perfect long man and Wood is as well, but for different reasons. That right there is 7 starters ready to go for you on day one. Plus you've got Graham and maybe Gilmartin ready by then as well.
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Getting Price would almost certainly eat into that depth. Have to figure at least 2 of those names would go to Tampa (likely Wood, plus one of Graham/Gil, plus Gattis).

Maybe a Hudson signing is a prelude to trading some of that depth for Price? Who knows, but I doubt it.
 
Knucksie said:
One of the reasons for stopping posting here was because of obnoxious pricks like you. I was invited to return, but not put up with this kind of bull. If it's not addressed, it's not worth coming back.
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You are clearly a very emotional person. You win. Just please stop crying. Wow.

I'll do whatever it takes to keep you here as a poster and to stay off your ignore list. Whatever. It. Takes.

Just please don't leave us!!
 
Enscheff said:
You are clearly a very emotional person. You win. Just please stop crying. Wow.

I'll do whatever it takes to keep you here as a poster and to stay off your ignore list. Whatever. It. Takes.

Just please don't leave us!!
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Awww, gee, how will it be possible to get any sleep tonight?
 
Dalyn said:
Other than wins/losses Glavine's career postseason numbers are better than/comparable to his career regular season numbers. He found that extra gear. Same with Maddux, who had something like a 2.10 ERA in the World Series for his career. Pitching did not cost the Braves very often.
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That was only 5 games. His ERA in NLDS is 3.42 and NLCS is 3.67. OK, but not Maddux-like.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maddugr01.shtml

He's not really known for being a dominant post-season pitcher.
 
Dalyn said:
Other than wins/losses Glavine's career postseason numbers are better than/comparable to his career regular season numbers. He found that extra gear. Same with Maddux, who had something like a 2.10 ERA in the World Series for his career. Pitching did not cost the Braves very often.
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But when push comes to shove, I'll still go with the fastball guy. I just think you have to take the bat out of the other team's hands and limit the margin-for-error. I think where one could argue with Schilling is that the Braves' defense seemed to find ways to noticeably mess up in the post-season and that hurts ball-in-play guys more than power pitchers.
 
Maddux's postseason ERAs aren't really any different than the guys who were his peers—Pedro, Clemens, and Unit. All four of those guys were taking the ball in the postseason into their late 30s and early 40s, and all four of them had postseason ERAs around 3.50. Maddux did not suffer in comparison with those guys, regardless of his being a finesse pitcher.
 
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