2018 Offseason And Targets

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Southcack77 said:
I assume the moves for 2019 are result of ownership mandate to put a better team on the field.

Only real way to explain the overpay.

If they're not crazy about the prospect and are under orders, it sort of makes sense. I don't think the extension is bad at all, though it's a little weird to commit to Sonny Gray at this point. But 10m isn't going to break them if he doesn't pan out and I'm not sure they would be picking anyone up next FA that would be any more appetizing at that price point.

I give it neither raves nor jeers, just not really sure they need to be trying right now.
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It’s stupid to extend Gray now because pitchers like him are available every offseason. They are committing $30M before they need to for no real reason other than someone in the Reds FO thinks having a player at market rates somehow makes him more valuable.

They could get someone approximating Gray 10 months from now and know he will pitch in 2020. They don’t know what Gray will be in 2020. They are assuming risk because they don’t waste their time looking at spreadsheets
 
nsacpi said:
Long for Stowers is the odd part of this trade. Good for the M's to pick up Long cheaply. He's not gonna be a star, but will probably end up being a useful utility player. I'm wondering if the Yankees just didn't have room for Long on their 40-man roster (assuming some moves coming up).
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Plus, he has one of the greatest names in baseball.

PS--Agree with Enscheff 100% on Sonny Gray.
 
Extension clearly says the Reds are thinking he will bounce back and be worth much more than 10 million next year. If they get 3 years of 3 win pitching for 10 mil per then they won that deal. If he flames then oops
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Extension clearly says the Reds are thinking he will bounce back and be worth much more than 10 million next year. If they get 3 years of 3 win pitching for 10 mil per then they won that deal. If he flames then oops
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You also have to consider where they play - the extension doesn't look like a terrible overpay given market rates for average SPs, and it's *amn near as impossible to attract free-agent SPs to go pitch in that park as it is to get them to go to Denver. He doesn't have to bounce all the way back to the Sonny Gray he was in Oakland to be worth that contract, but if he has a decent season it'd be awfully hard for them to get him to come there as a free-agent next winter.

As others have said the draft pick makes it pretty steep, but that's not that surprising when you consider how hard it is to find Pitchers wiling to go there if they can choose to go elsewhere. They've certainly added a lot of payroll, but if their ownership still has the stomach (and money) to add Keuchel on a reasonable deal with the money they have coming off the books next season they've substantially improved.
 
Some one mentioned earlier that the Braves 2019 payroll could be as high as $135 mil. MLBTR has a long article on Braves 2019 payroll.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/atlanta-braves-payroll.html

From article--

The Braves’ payroll has been quite consistent over the years, and given their historical trajectory and current revenue streams, I’d expect for them to at least comfortably plod along with methodical increases. That might mean something like $130 million in 2019.

However, last year’s club blew open the competitive window. As a result, I foresee a slightly larger increase this year than expected. As a result, they’re likely going to make a significant expensive addition or two. A reunion with Craig Kimbrel makes an awful lot of sense.

Projected 2019 Payroll: $135 million


For clarification-- Bowman DID NOT write this article.
 
salmagundy said:
Some one mentioned earlier that the Braves 2019 payroll could be as high as $135 mil. MLBTR has a long article on Braves 2019 payroll.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/atlanta-braves-payroll.html

From article--

The Braves’ payroll has been quite consistent over the years, and given their historical trajectory and current revenue streams, I’d expect for them to at least comfortably plod along with methodical increases. That might mean something like $130 million in 2019.

However, last year’s club blew open the competitive window. As a result, I foresee a slightly larger increase this year than expected. As a result, they’re likely going to make a significant expensive addition or two. A reunion with Craig Kimbrel makes an awful lot of sense.

Projected 2019 Payroll: $135 million


For clarification-- Bowman DID NOT write this article.
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for clarification we talking about opening day payroll or payroll for the whole season?
 
tululush said:
You know what we need? We need a serious Braves rumor so we can have the second coming of “Hot Nudism”
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Thomas, Cruz, and Dan Meyer for Huddy - wouldn't a Weigel, Wentz, and Waters for Haniger be grounds for kicking off a thread like that?!?!?
 
nsacpi said:
for clarification we talking about opening day payroll or payroll for the whole season?
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That $118M is Cot’s value for the Braves 2018 opening day payroll. However, I remember the value I had being closer to $110M because of some cash Cot’s wasn’t counting correctly (possibly some deferred money to someone? Kashmir?).

Unfortunately, I didn’t save the contract info I had last offseason, so I can’t remember the details.

I would be pleasantly surprised if the Braves have a 2019 opening day payroll of $135M. I expect the overall 2019 payroll for the entire 40 man roster to be slightly higher than last year’s $136M ($140M+), and that value minus the $80M committed earlier this off season is where Bowman got his “at least $60M to spend” line of utter confusion he kept doubling down on despite the Braves acting like a team with no money.

Expect to see an opening day payroll around $125M with ~$15M in the cookie jar to spend as needed during the season. If the Braves fall out of contention and attendance suffers, expect that $15M to evaporate as attendance revenue declines.
 
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salmagundy said:
Some one mentioned earlier that the Braves 2019 payroll could be as high as $135 mil. MLBTR has a long article on Braves 2019 payroll.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/atlanta-braves-payroll.html

From article--

The Braves’ payroll has been quite consistent over the years, and given their historical trajectory and current revenue streams, I’d expect for them to at least comfortably plod along with methodical increases. That might mean something like $130 million in 2019.

However, last year’s club blew open the competitive window. As a result, I foresee a slightly larger increase this year than expected. As a result, they’re likely going to make a significant expensive addition or two. A reunion with Craig Kimbrel makes an awful lot of sense.

Projected 2019 Payroll: $135 million


For clarification-- Bowman DID NOT write this article.
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Ahh good ol' Bruce Sutter. Glad that guy's going to finally be off the books soon. Crazy that the $10M due him in 2021 could make him the 2nd or 3rd highest player on the payroll
 
Enscheff said:
That $118M is Cot’s value for the Braves 2018 opening day payroll. However, I remember the value I had being closer to $110M because of some cash Cot’s wasn’t counting correctly (possibly some deferred money to someone? Kashmir?).

Unfortunately, I didn’t save the contract info I had last offseason, so I can’t remember the details.

I would be pleasantly surprised if the Braves have a 2019 opening day payroll of $135M. I expect the overall 2019 payroll for the entire 40 man roster to be slightly higher than last year’s $136M ($140M+), and that value minus the $80M committed earlier this off season is where Bowman got his “at least $60M to spend” line of utter confusion he kept doubling down on despite the Braves acting like a team with no money.

Expect to see an opening day payroll around $125M with ~$15M in the cookie jar to spend as needed during the season. If the Braves fall out of contention and attendance suffers, expect that $15M to evaporate as attendance revenue declines.
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I'm thinking opening day 120-125M and full season 130-135.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Extension clearly says the Reds are thinking he will bounce back and be worth much more than 10 million next year. If they get 3 years of 3 win pitching for 10 mil per then they won that deal. If he flames then oops
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This is true. It's quite a big risk considering he hasn't thrown anywhere near 200 innings since 2015 and is coming off the worst season of his career. But assuming Gray returns to previous form, he would easily have got 15-20 million per for at least 4 years next off-season.

Still, the extension doesn't hold any value in relation to the trade and should be looked at entirely seperate.
 
Carp said:
This is true. It's quite a big risk considering he hasn't thrown anywhere near 200 innings since 2015 and is coming off the worst season of his career. But assuming Gray returns to previous form, he would easily have got 15-20 million per for at least 4 years next off-season.

Still, the extension doesn't hold any value in relation to the trade and should be looked at entirely seperate.
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Yeah. I wasn’t agreeing with extension per se. just what I think they are thinking. Just like I am sure they know his value isn’t higher because of extension. Just that they know they won’t compete next year most likely so they didn’t want to give away long term assets for a one year player.
 
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