50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Kind of like a trade war.
The Trump Presidency
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Kind of like a trade war.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
The result of constant polling. Data is good, but data without judgment is just a pile of numbers. I agree with your contention that one of the big problems now is that the media is split into two camps and everything is about who is winning and who is losing, when it should be about charting a course for the country's future.
I've always admired Pelosi's ability to run her caucus even though I don't necessarily agree with all of her positions (although it's obvious she's not the crackpot liberal the right paints her to be). In my early days in politics, my mentor told me "There's only two things you need to know: Who your friends are and how to count." That's what Pelosi's about.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
Which you were perfectly fine with the do nothing Congress when Obama was POTUS I'm sure.
striker42
Well-known member
This is not new.
Who lost billions of dollars? The economy? If so, that was really dumb.
You are talking about Trump's crazy gambit to force a very small minority idea on the majority. Tell me who looks childish.
It's not my definition of a win, but just a political win for Pelosi.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jan/18/how-much-does-government-shutdown-cost/
The government shutdown was enormously expensive.
The treating of politics as a sport is nothing new. It's just really bad right now. We had Pelosi, McConnell, Schumer, and Trump playing a game and all of them put the game ahead of the good of the country. Shame on all of them.
57Brave
Well-known member
and the game was the wall.
and the precedent of the executive branch holding the country hostage over not getting - legislatively- what it wanted
Closest historical comparison that comes to mind would be Andrew Jackson defying the Supreme Court saying "then let them enforce it"
Another would be Nixon bombing Cambodia in defiance of Congress
That was an article of impeachment
So no, this isn't both sides are to blame
This was the legislative branch holding the executive in check.
As designed
In the end --- the legislative voted and the executive signed the bill to finance the government
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VirginiaBrave
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Exactly, the Dems won the House to check Trump. They COULD NOT give in. They had to show him he was not a dictator of a banana republic. No matter how much he wishes he were.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
with the important detail that Ryan and McConnell had no interest in a shutdown and were blindsided by Trump who apparently spends too much time taking in right wing talk radio
Of course they didnt want it. They are bought and by the koch brothers who want cheap labor.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
also they knew the votes were not there for the wall...small detail
I wonder why the votes arent there? Could it be that most of our politicians are bought and paid for?
57Brave
Well-known member
Play devils advocate if you will and tell me !!
My thoughts on this are evident in my post. You all are just towing the line that people like the kochs/bezos want. RACISM!
There is no other side with politicians. Its all about hopping on the gravy train. Need term limits on congress.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Soros
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
votes weren't there last congress... certainly ain't there now
And thus why Trump deserves every ounce of blame for the shutdown. This was his shutdown. And McConnell helped enable it for a month.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
all McConnell did was enable Trump to walk into his own trap...I think he also clarified for his own caucus the price to be paid for following the dear leader...they didnt like it but they learned something