Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

Judge Jackson rules special counsel no longer bound to plea agreement with Manafartov due to Manafartov's material lies.
 
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Manafort lied about contacts w/ Kilimnik

Flynn lied about contacts w/ Kislyak

Stone lied about contacts w/ Wikileaks link

Cohen lied about Moscow Project

Papadopoulos lied about Russia dirt

Excuse us for not believing Trump when he says "no collusion"
 
thethe said:
Because Manafort has been in bed with various parties in Eastern Europe and Russia for a long time.

What does that have to do with Trump and his campaign?

Why wouldn't Manafort at any point indicate he was under the direction of Trump when he is facing life in prison?
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This is pure gold, really. What did Trump’s campaign manager have to do with his campaign?
 
Julio3000 said:
This is pure gold, really. What did Trump’s campaign manager have to do with his campaign?
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Yes - Because it hasn't been clear from his whole career that Manafort is out for himself.

Geez - Even when Mueller finds no collusion the rabid left won't be satisfied.

Dellusional beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
The Manafort/Gates/Kilimnik meeting at the Grand Havana Room cigar bar sure looks like another smoking gun for collusion to me.
 
thethe said:
Yes - Because it hasn't been clear from his whole career that Manafort is out for himself.

Geez - Even when Mueller finds no collusion the rabid left won't be satisfied.

Dellusional beyond a reasonable doubt.
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I honestly can't tell if you really believe half of what you say.
 
I still think there’s a decent chance that Manafort’s apparent corruption wrt Kilimnik, etc, doesn’t touch Trump directly...though his tweets about Manafort probably betray some concerns. But it just cracks me up that your line is, sure, maybe the campaign manager did it, but Trump himself didn’t. I mean, I pretty much called that one months ago, but it’s no less funny to see it play out.
 
sturg33 said:
There is no question that Mueller's report comes up short, not a single person here or on the left will admit to being wrong
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Man, that might really sting if it came from someone who didn’t have a well-established track record of never admitting he was wrong about this subject.
 
sturg33 said:
There is no question that Mueller's report comes up short, not a single person here or on the left will admit to being wrong
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I can't remember if I thought for sure that Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia. But clearly they did.

What still continues to surprise me is how sloppy and amateurish the whole thing was. Trump dictating Jr.'s statement aboard Airforce One is right at the top of examples of his criminal approach -- lie, lie and then lie some more. Anyone who doesn't lie all the way to the gallows is WEAK.
 
Going to be bizarre if all of Trump's lieutenants around him serve time in jail, including some of his kids and not seeing something happen to Don himself. But it's also a good possibility some of them will fall on the hammer for him.

And if that day comes, it's going to be bizarre seeing conservatives not satisfied that justice was served even if the head of the snake was not cut off. The fact several will people be indicted, charged, and convicted but they would still be celebrating because Don didn't get caught despite plenty around him getting pinched is going to be a strange day in this country.
 
Paul Manafort, who has been selling access for 40 years, finally got nailed (rightfully - I guess) and that somehow substantiates three years of petulant bitching and straight up stupid conspiracy theories.
 
Here's a very thorough breakdown of how Team Trump has changed their Russia story with THEN vs NOW statements:

"Did any Trump campaign aides have contacts with Russia?

Then -- No. There weren’t any. Now -- Yes, there were many.

Did anyone on the Trump campaign collude with Russia?

Then -- There was no collusion whatsoever. Now -- Trump himself didn’t collude.

What was the purpose of the Trump Tower meeting?

Then -- To discuss Russian adoptions. Now -- To get dirt on Hillary Clinton.

Did Trump draft the misleading Trump Tower meeting statement?

Then -- Nope. He wasn’t even involved. Now -- Yes. He dictated the statement.

Why did Trump fire Comey?

Then -- Because of the Clinton email investigation. Now -- Because of the Russia investigation.

Did Trump tell Comey to go easy on Flynn?

Then -- Absolutely not. Now -- It’s possible.

Will Trump agree to an interview with Mueller?

Then -- He wants to do it. Now -- Zero chance.

Can a sitting US president obstruct justice?

Then -- No. Now -- Possibly.

How do Trump’s lawyers view Mueller?

Then -- He’s a respected and focused investigator.

Now -- He’s a corrupt partisan on a witch hunt.

Is Trump going to pardon Manafort?

Then -- It’s not being considered. Now -- It’s still on the table.

Does Trump have any business ties to Russia?

Then -- Trump has nothing to do with Russia Now ---Trump pursued Russia deals through 2016.

When did discussions end for Trump Tower Moscow?

Then -- January 2016 before the primaries. Now -- Possibly as late as November 2016.

Did Trump sign a letter of intent for Trump Tower Moscow?

Then -- No, he didn’t. Now -- Yes, he did.

How does Trump view campaign aides under Russia scrutiny?

Then -- They’re the best of the best. Now -- They’re irrelevant nobodies.

What does Trump think of Cohen?

Then -- He’s a trusted attorney. Now -- He is a desperate liar.
 
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Hawk said:
Paul Manafort, who has been selling access for 40 years, finally got nailed (rightfully - I guess) and that somehow substantiates three years of petulant bitching and straight up stupid conspiracy theories.
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Haha, yeah, says another one who wasn’t even willing to attribute the DNC/Podesta email thefts to Russia.

Gosh, I remember you squeaking about “the campaign proper” some months ago. So, my apologies for trying to clarify just where the goalposts are now. Is the campaign manager part of the campaign proper, or nah?
 
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