Govt. Shutdown
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CK86
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They spent more than Facebook, twitter, LinkedIn and instagram combined and still don't have a competent website.
John McAfee says the website is "a hacker's wet dream" the way they designed it and also says none of that can be fixed until the website is fundamentally changed.
The government being in charge of the exchanges, the implementation of the ACA, hiring thousands of new IRS agents to make sure you have insurance and the fact premiums and deductibles are going up say it's government run. If the government wasn't so involved, you wouldn't have people complaining about them screwing up the healthcare system.
Some Republicans are obstructing the ACA because Obama is for it. There are others who think the law has some serious issues we should solve before it's implemented all the way and it becomes a beaucratic mess to untangle. There are others that don't think the government should be so involved in tampering with the free market. It's either join the Obamacare cartel or get taxed for not having it regardless of health.
They're taking over a sixth of the GDP because of this law and they can't even get a simple website right is why many are hoping to stop it. They'll just keep taxing and spending with no end in sight while entitlements continue to grow.
This was a real chance to do something drastic and instead the Republicans caved like always.
Tapate50
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Gotten to the point its another party IMO...They may have some ideas that align, but becoming fewer and fewer at this juncture.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
They're taking over a sixth of the GDP
No, they're not. Are healthcare providers working for or getting paid by the government? Are private insurers still in business?
This was a real chance to do something drastic and instead the Republicans caved like always.
There was absolutely no chance of doing anything drastic . . . which is probably why they caved.
I'm not going to argue that private business can't do things more efficiently than the government. The private sector is allowed to cut corners in ways not available to the government. I'm just not going to argue that this is a universal benefit. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's not. The thing that the government could do—if Republicans would have gotten on board—is use the purchasing power of the government to bring prices down. Nope.
In hindsight, the problems with the online implementation of the exchanges will be a tempest in a teapot. Administrative or IT problems are fixable. It's premature to say that it's a failure, a disaster, whatever, before you've even had the opportunity to judge objectively based on results.
Doesn't your depiction of the massive scale of the program support the idea that there might be snags and problems with the rollout? This is pretty much the case with any undertaking of this size.
The government being in charge of the exchanges, the implementation of the ACA, hiring thousands of new IRS agents to make sure you have insurance and the fact premiums and deductibles are going up say it's government run.
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but premiums have been steadily rising for years. If you read an objective view of how insurers' costs are being approached, you'll see that the picture is, so far, mixed. Some people are going to pay more. Some people are going to pay less. More people are going to be covered. Sometimes, costs and premiums are going to rise or fall for reasons that have nothing to do with the ACA.
If the government wasn't so involved, you wouldn't have people complaining about them screwing up the healthcare system.
OK. Read that back to yourself, then consider starting again.
No, they're not. Are healthcare providers working for or getting paid by the government? Are private insurers still in business?
This was a real chance to do something drastic and instead the Republicans caved like always.
There was absolutely no chance of doing anything drastic . . . which is probably why they caved.
I'm not going to argue that private business can't do things more efficiently than the government. The private sector is allowed to cut corners in ways not available to the government. I'm just not going to argue that this is a universal benefit. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's not. The thing that the government could do—if Republicans would have gotten on board—is use the purchasing power of the government to bring prices down. Nope.
In hindsight, the problems with the online implementation of the exchanges will be a tempest in a teapot. Administrative or IT problems are fixable. It's premature to say that it's a failure, a disaster, whatever, before you've even had the opportunity to judge objectively based on results.
Doesn't your depiction of the massive scale of the program support the idea that there might be snags and problems with the rollout? This is pretty much the case with any undertaking of this size.
The government being in charge of the exchanges, the implementation of the ACA, hiring thousands of new IRS agents to make sure you have insurance and the fact premiums and deductibles are going up say it's government run.
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but premiums have been steadily rising for years. If you read an objective view of how insurers' costs are being approached, you'll see that the picture is, so far, mixed. Some people are going to pay more. Some people are going to pay less. More people are going to be covered. Sometimes, costs and premiums are going to rise or fall for reasons that have nothing to do with the ACA.
If the government wasn't so involved, you wouldn't have people complaining about them screwing up the healthcare system.
OK. Read that back to yourself, then consider starting again.
In all honesty, I think a lot of people like me are waiting for the market to shift in the next few months.
There's no need to sign up and buy right out of the gate. As with anything, better to sit back and watch and see the insurance exchange do its work and companies compete at the waning last seconds for the last minute buyers.
No idea why anybody realistically thought people would be signing up and buying instantly.
It also gives them more time to fix the bugs on the website.
Facebook has hundreds of millions accounts, but not hundreds of millions of genuine individual people making accounts. The script is relatively simple for facebook, while you're dealing with 50 different exchanges on this site, and I'm sure the chinese and international hackers were just waiting in line to try and test their hand at crashing Momma America's new toy. I'm encouraged by all the traffic it's gotten. As with anything there are going to be bugs no matter who does it. If this was a private sector screw up, nobody complains because it's just part of the "growing pains", but of course since this is Obama's baby the magnifying glass is even more heavy on the screw ups.
I won't buy a playstation 4 when it comes out next month because history tells us there will be problems with the first generation release. It happened with the 360, it happened with the PS3 and I'd bet money it will happen with the XB1 and PS4.
There's no need to sign up and buy right out of the gate. As with anything, better to sit back and watch and see the insurance exchange do its work and companies compete at the waning last seconds for the last minute buyers.
No idea why anybody realistically thought people would be signing up and buying instantly.
It also gives them more time to fix the bugs on the website.
Facebook has hundreds of millions accounts, but not hundreds of millions of genuine individual people making accounts. The script is relatively simple for facebook, while you're dealing with 50 different exchanges on this site, and I'm sure the chinese and international hackers were just waiting in line to try and test their hand at crashing Momma America's new toy. I'm encouraged by all the traffic it's gotten. As with anything there are going to be bugs no matter who does it. If this was a private sector screw up, nobody complains because it's just part of the "growing pains", but of course since this is Obama's baby the magnifying glass is even more heavy on the screw ups.
I won't buy a playstation 4 when it comes out next month because history tells us there will be problems with the first generation release. It happened with the 360, it happened with the PS3 and I'd bet money it will happen with the XB1 and PS4.
cajunrevenge
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I for one will not be buying obamacare. If he is going to steal from me for not doing so then so be it. More money for welfare queens.
Tapate50
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That analogy doesn't add up. If this site was malfunctioning and a hatchet on the wallet people would just go elsewhere and that would be their choice. It isn't mandated we use it or incur a fine.
sturg33
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So I did a little research on this one, since nobody seems to be able to give me a specific on why Rand Paul is corrupt. Turns out, this was a pretty epic political from the dems.
I'm convinced Obama is politically brilliant and/or the Republicans are really as big of idiots as I'm being told they are. Obama submits a budget with a 2.9 Billion dollar appropriation for a lock and dam project in Olmsted, Illinois... One of the most bipartisan spending projects of all time... Gets Dianne Feinstein and Lamar Alexander to sponsor it. And somehow it gets named the Kentucky Kickback and everyone hates the one guy who didn't have anything to do with it.
sturg33
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Here is a little interesting fact to mull over. If we pulled out the 2005 federal budget and enacted it with no changes then we could have a 0% income tax for all Americans, 100% of them, and we wouldn't incur a single new dollar of debt over what we're going to incur this year anyways.
acesfull86
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Weren't we sold on this being a crisis that we absolutely had to do something about right now?
I thought people were going to sign up right away because they were without insurance and desperately needed/wanted it. Like the commercial that keeps running in New York says, "today's the day where you no longer have to rub a rabbit's foot and wish you had access to HC."
57Brave
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Tapate50
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It hasn't been posted but once before, which isn't enough.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
I actually saw that video somewhere else before you posted it. Very interesting info, but it should be noted that he owns the website goldsilver.com, so he's clearly got a vested interest in scaremongering. But the info about how the money supply works was well presented.
Tapate50
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Missed this one earlier. The market is shifting. Rate hikes every month until rollout. Thats the market here...