2018 Offseason And Targets

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UNCBlue012 said:
Most definitely. They have to do it. I can understand saving money but AA seriously might cost us a year of contention. Insane. MAKE THE DAMN TRADES AND GET BETTER.

McCutchen, Segura, Harper, Hoskins, Realmuto, Herrera, Franco and Hernandez is going to be tough to beat, man.
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While i get the frustration, there's really not much available they could do trade wise, not defending him but just being logical about it.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Most definitely. They have to do it. I can understand saving money but AA seriously might cost us a year of contention. Insane. MAKE THE DAMN TRADES AND GET BETTER.

McCutchen, Segura, Harper, Hoskins, Realmuto, Herrera, Franco and Hernandez is going to be tough to beat, man.
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McCutchen isnt prime Cutch, and Herrera/Franco/Hernandez arent that great. Their defense is still a huge issue, that's where they lost a ton of games last year but their lineup is for sure better now.

Their pitching is still a huge question mark, Nola cant throw everyday.
 
AA has added an expected 6 wins this offseason at the cost of 30M. 5M/win. The challenge I keep asking of his critics is to show me an alternative that nets you that many or more wins for the same price.
 
Heyward said:
While i get the frustration, there's really not much available they could do trade wise, not defending him but just being logical about it.
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I just think he has to do something. Either way, my issue isn't adding Donaldson, or even McCann for cheap, it's adding freaking Markakis over literally any of the other good options and not making needed trades.
 
Heyward said:
McCutchen isnt prime Cutch, and Herrera/Franco/Hernandez arent that great. Their defense is still a huge issue, that's where they lost a ton of games last year but their lineup is for sure better now.

Their pitching is still a huge question mark, Nola cant throw everyday.
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yeah they've still done nothing to improve or even add depth to the rotation. it is likely to hurt them more than it did last year.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
I just think he has to do something. Either way, my issue isn't adding Donaldson, or even McCann for cheap, it's adding freaking Markakis over literally any of the other good options and not making needed trades.
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Well trade wise, as i mentioned, Marlins wanted 3 of our studs, while i wanted Realmuto, i didnt wanna get fleeced for him.

Regarding outfield trades, umm. Peralta isnt available, neither is Haniger, who you getting? I'd love to know who you think they should trade for that is actually available. Also Nick for 4 mil is pretty good value, he was projected 8-10 mil.
 
For the most part I’ve liked AA’s moves. I like Donaldson a lot, and I’m fine not upgrading the rotation since we have all the prospects and I’m fine with the bench. But we definitely should’ve done better than Markakis in right and we have passed up multiple inexpensive opportunities to build a dynamite bullpen (tho it admittedly is already much better than at the beginning of last year).
 
Super said:
yeah they've still done nothing to improve or even add depth to the rotation. it is likely to hurt them more than it did last year.
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Certainly wont be surprised if they go after Keuchel, but they were VERY lucky in the health department for their SP'ers. I think once Elfin came back up, none of them missed a start minus the doubleheaders, i wanna say they maybe used 6 or 7 SP's all year. That's very unsustainable.

They also traded their best trade chip in Sixto who could really help them midseason or be used in a better trade.
 
nsacpi said:
AA has added an expected 6 wins this offseason at the cost of 30M. 5M/win. The challenge I keep asking of his critics is to show me an alternative that nets you that many or more wins for the same price.
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value isn't all that matters. in fact at a certain point it doesn't matter that much.
the braves were/are at that point.
 
TheBravos said:
Harper is all about power. Not very good defensively. Not good in the club house. Doesn’t hit for average. Walks a lot because of the power. Once the power goes down in about five years...so will the walks. The Phillies could be looking at eight years of a bad player making $25 mil a year.
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Yeah but if he helps you win a title or two those first five I would take it.
 
The Phillies have huge pools of money so they can theoretically handle losing a large chunk of cash from their active budget down the line.

That it makes it different from the obvious stupidity of the Marlins signing Giancarlo Stanton to that deal.

But I feel very confident that a significant portion of this deal will suck for some team.

I would never make a 13 year commitment to any player regardless of how much it helped me in the short term.

I really don't care if it is "market value" or whether the total value of the deal matches the expected wins. It's too much risk and not enough reward.

This is a guy who has been oft injured and was one of the worst OF defenders in baseball at 26. Even if he's not as bad as he showed, this is not going to age well.

That said, he's an awesome hitter even when he's not hitting much so he easily could be huge offensive force in Philly.

This is just a scenario that the Atlanta Braves aren't ever going to entertain. So it's not worth getting excited about. It's good being rich.
 
Super said:
why would a team request an opt out..? the team would be the side pushing for no opt out.
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The only way an opt out helps a team is if the player opts our and takes you off the hook for a massive contract. Conversely, the Phils are stuck with that albatross of a contract regardless of what Harper does. For good or bad he’s going to rot in Philly.
 
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