Every contract weighs the upside vs the downside. Eliminating the upside with an opt out makes the contract worse for the team.
It doesn’t take a sales engineer to understand this basic concept lol.
2018 Offseason And Targets
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Every contract weighs the upside vs the downside. Eliminating the upside with an opt out makes the contract worse for the team.
It doesn’t take a sales engineer to understand this basic concept lol.
nsacpi
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I'm not saying its a great deal for the Pods. But its not a disaster. They can move Wil Myers at some point if necessary.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
believe it or not adding expected WAR in the off-season translates to real W's in the real season...the two are not unrelated
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I don't have an issue with the moves he made. I have an issue that those were the only moves made.
If he wasn't (or couldn't) do anything else then making the moves he made doesn't really make that much sense, getting the team into an area where they are just marginally not good enough. Sure, if everything breaks perfect then things turn rosey, much like 2018. If things aren't perfect then you're looking at 4th in the East.
My complaint is that they didn't do enough if the opportunity is to be real.
Southcack77
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Your assumption is that the team doesn't get anything out of negotiating the opt-out.
What they should get in exchange for the opt-out is less of a total guarantee.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I think the mindset here is that he is great for the 3 years you have him then opts out and another team pays for his declining years.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I like adding WAR. Even if it cost a little bit more in prospects and or money.
Southcack77
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I'm just curious. Have you ever negotiated or mediated anything significant? You know while you were waiting for your software to compile things?
It would be pretty poor negotiating for the team not to get a concession for the value of the option.
As long as that value is accounted for on the team's end, it doesn't necessarily make it a zero sum game.
Acuña’s Bat Flip
NL Rookie of the Year
We finish third in the East at worst, the problem is we were the favorites to repeat if Harper had headed West!
LOL, yes, which makes the opt out a positive for the player.
You literally just proved that point with your comment.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
me too...but only if WAR/$ ratio is right
Again, I said, "the opt out is a positive for the player". I did not say, "a contract with an opt out is a positive for the player".
You literally just proved that point by stating an opt out means the player gets less of a total guarantee, and your insistence on being contrarian is going to keep you talking in circles about this.
Reading comprehension...it's not for everyone.
Opt out: good for player...period. Very simple.
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
it is not under our control what other teams do...AA did fine this off-season
Disagreed.
AA splurged early at the deepest position in the FA class when a suitable option was already on the roster.
AA did not get good enough production in cOF where there was no internal option available.
AA did not convert any future prospect value to present day value.
This was not a well run off season for a contending team. The mistake was made early when he miscalculated the cost of upgrading the OF, which ultimately resulted in having to check down to Option D and spin it as "good value". Getting "good value" on and item that isnit good enough to meet the needs of the buyer isn't "good value". If you need 3 WAR and you spend $6M on 1 WAR to avoid spending market value on 3 WAR...you didn't get "good value".
At best I give him a C-...maybe a C.
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True...but they also wanted a young controllable catcher. We didn’t have that (I am assuming they had no real interest in Flowers). I think the Phils just matched up better and we would have had to over pay to make it work.
Acuña’s Bat Flip
NL Rookie of the Year
Oh, I'm fine with the team as it is (even though I would like to add Kimbrel but if the price is right not an off-season breaker either way), just replying to Harry's silliness. I probably should just ignore him, Jedi Master.
I wish we would have done more...but what?
The Machado and Harper deals were so much money and so long term...our team couldn’t take on that risk.
Really Pollock might have been the only one, but that was also risky....just lest risky. I think that’s the one I would have chosen.
I still think there are trades, etc out there.
The Machado and Harper deals were so much money and so long term...our team couldn’t take on that risk.
Really Pollock might have been the only one, but that was also risky....just lest risky. I think that’s the one I would have chosen.
I still think there are trades, etc out there.
Acuña’s Bat Flip
NL Rookie of the Year
They certainly weren't getting Contreras in any deal for only two years of JTR or I'd assume he was never on the table!
CrazyTrain
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I said pretty clearly in my last post that adding 6 wins for 30m is great if you use those savings to splurge on something that gets you over the top. Otherwise you're just a cheap team who wins 6 more games than the other cheap teams. Big F whoop.
nsacpi
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Going point by point
1) The Donaldson signing was tremendous value. Would not call getting that sort of value a splurge.
2) Remains to be seen. We have Muk/Duvall/Camargo/Riley as options. I am concerned Snit has not seen fit to play Camargo or Riley in the outfield yet. That should be happening.
3) I'm fine with converting prospects to current season value. I suspect AA is fine doing that too. Just insistent that the return is right.
By focusing on value, we are going to end up with a deeper team than if we focused on position specific needs. One of the bonuses of that is the way at bats get redistributed. Donaldson takes away at bats from Camargo. But Camargo takes away at bats that last year went to the likes of Flaherty. So we are really transferring at bats from Flaherty to Donaldson.
I am a bit concerned about right field. Snit is old school in his loyalty to veterans. I hope he will be open-minded about giving some of Muk's ABs to other players.
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