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Here’s a question...when we forgive student loan debt, do the suckers like myself who have paid back a significant portion / all of the loans get reimbursed?
 
acesfull86 said:
I don’t think it’s irresponsible to have student debt (I have quite a bit myself)... I think it’s irresponsible to take out the loans then later pretend you were duped and expect the taxpayers to assume the bill.
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They should have never turned the loan program over to the private sector to the extent they have. When I went to college in the 1970s, the old National Defense Student Loan program was in place for most students and I left college paying 3% interest on a modest amount owed. I frankly don't know the loan programs in place now and how they work, but it's not the same program and I imagine the interest is well above 3% and fluctuates. Markets work well, but if one wants an educated/trained workforce, intervention may be required at the edges.
 
acesfull86 said:
Here’s a question...when we forgive student loan debt, do the suckers like myself who have paid back a significant portion / all of the loans get reimbursed?
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I don't think loans should be totally forgiven. I can see the case for re-structuring, but not forgiving.
 
Julio3000 said:
I’m not weighing in on the larger issue, but I’m seeing a lot of talk suggesting that it’s irresponsible to have student loan debt.

While there are always exceptions, as sturg apparently is, in my experience the most obvious difference between people with significant student loan debt and those without is family wealth.
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Nobody is saying that. I had a lot of debt myself. That is fine.

What people are saying is that its irresponsible to take a bunch of money and then demand that others pay it back for you

I can't imagine how this is controversial but the left has lost its mind
 
50PoundHead said:
They should have never turned the loan program over to the private sector to the extent they have. When I went to college in the 1970s, the old National Defense Student Loan program was in place for most students and I left college paying 3% interest on a modest amount owed. I frankly don't know the loan programs in place now and how they work, but it's not the same program and I imagine the interest is well above 3% and fluctuates. Markets work well, but if one wants an educated/trained workforce, intervention may be required at the edges.
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The bigger problem is when the federal government guaranteed student loans to anyone who wanted them.

Prices predictably skyrocketed
 
Chat Clussman
‏ @clussman
5h5 hours ago
Replying to @AOC

Data is hard. I made a chart to help.






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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @AOC

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Currently Being Ratio'd

If you want to know what subconscious bias looks like, it’s a headline saying “AOC is underwater with every group EXCEPT women, nonwhites, and 18-34 year olds.”

So older, conservative white men are considered “everyone” and everyone else is discounted as an exception.

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Currently Being Ratio'd
‏Verified account @NumbersMuncher

Gallup:

As Americans become more familiar with AOC, the more unfavorably they view her. Her net favorable rating has dropped from -2 to -10, now at to 31-41 (was 24-26).

AOC is underwater with every demographic group except women (+4), nonwhites (+20), and 18-34 year olds (+5)
 
57Brave said:
Chat Clussman
‏ @clussman
5h5 hours ago
Replying to @AOC

Data is hard. I made a chart to help.






D1y7sYMW0AA9Frn.png





Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @AOC

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Currently Being Ratio'd

If you want to know what subconscious bias looks like, it’s a headline saying “AOC is underwater with every group EXCEPT women, nonwhites, and 18-34 year olds.”

So older, conservative white men are considered “everyone” and everyone else is discounted as an exception.

Cool ����






Currently Being Ratio'd
‏Verified account @NumbersMuncher

Gallup:

As Americans become more familiar with AOC, the more unfavorably they view her. Her net favorable rating has dropped from -2 to -10, now at to 31-41 (was 24-26).

AOC is underwater with every demographic group except women (+4), nonwhites (+20), and 18-34 year olds (+5)
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She stands at -10 favorable ratings, right along with Trump.

She is negatively viewed by people older than 35, men, Republicans, independents, and those dastardly white people.


Since September, her favorability ratings have gotten worse with women and the 18-34 age group (they are barely positive now). She has declined with every group except for Dems and non whites.

Her popularity is crashing.

I know, math is indeed hard.
 
which really isnt the point.

Policy aside
The point is the same as how HRC began the campaign with a 65% favorability then what is above referred to as " subconscious bias "
stepped in to where 30 months later she couldnt get a cup of coffee.

Fox's 24/7 attack filters down.

You are walking- talking evidence of that
No offense meant

But your verbiage talking about AOC is a direct mirror of RW attack media
 
57Brave said:
which really isnt the point.

Policy aside
The point is the same as how HRC began the campaign with a 65% favorability then what is above referred to as " subconscious bias "
stepped in to where 30 months later she couldnt get a cup of coffee.

Fox's 24/7 attack filters down.

You are walking- talking evidence of that
No offense meant

But your verbiage talking about AOC is a direct mirror of RW attack media
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Or AOC is easily triggered, bad at math, and is a mirror of Trump's personality
 
and again you parrot RW talking points.

Remind me your grilling of Trumpian Math.
Or any of the predictions of ADC math you and the machine you follow
Or any of the policies/candidates you have fallen for

Remind your roasting the facts (math if you will ) of Muslim violence
Remind me baking the facts (math if you will ) of the border crisis


Odd your critique of use of math (facts) falls solely on the back of a first term under 30 Latina. Who has never dealt with national exposure of this level
Odd
........................................

How does that saying go " you campaign in poetry and govern in prose"
Until the rubber meets the road as in actual legislation or creation of policy, it is all campaign -- you know that

.............

To repeat myself, your verbiage gives you up
 
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Lol all you like but you have not given a substantive response to any of the topics AOC has brought up. Big or small
Called her stupid and criticized her intellegence but no talk of issues.

How did that lady put it?
Oh yeah " if they cant win on policy they talk politics. And when they cant win politics they go personal"

Ask (R) on Oversight Committee how smart she is
 
57Brave said:
Lol all you like but you have not given a substantive response to any of the topics AOC has brought up. Big or small
Called her stupid and criticized her intellegence but no talk of issues.

How did that lady put it?
Oh yeah " if they cant win on policy they talk politics. And when they cant win politics they go personal"

Ask (R) on Oversight Committee how smart she is
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Really, I havent given a substantive response?

I'll remind you that I have over and over, using data, and your response is always the same.

"Her tweets arent the law!"

Or

"Shes starting a conversation!"

You have to resort to these replies bc her ideas are so bad, so unrealistic, so stupid, that the only thing you can say is tropes.
 
Taking you at your word, I have yet to see your alternatives. Counter proposals.
Outside of maintain status quo.
On any issue

I know enough about math to kmow you cant prove a negative.
What are your constructive alternatives
 
Runnin said:
The panicked narrative of AOC as a dimwitted neophyte don't match up with the work she is doing.

"Ocasio-Cortez: “Would it be correct, Dr. Kesselheim, to characterize the NIH [National Institutes of Health] money that is being used in development and research as an early investment? The public is acting as an early investor in the production of these drugs. Is the public receiving any sort of direct return on that investment from the highly profitable drugs that are developed from that research?”

Kesselheim: “No, in most cases there is—when those products are eventually handed off to a for-profit company, there aren’t licensing deals that bring money back into the coffers of the NIH. That usually doesn’t happen.”

Ocasio-Cortez: “So the public is acting as an early investor, putting tons of money in the development of drugs that then become privatized, and then they receive no return on the investment that they have made.”

Kesselheim: “Right.”

"Martin Shkreli, the former pharma CEO and current federal inmate, epitomized this mindset in 2015 when he defended his decision to raise the price of Daraprim, the only approved drug for a rare disease called toxoplasmosis, by 5,000 percent. 'No one wants to say it, no one's proud of it, but this is a capitalist society, a capitalist system and capitalist rules,' he said. 'And my investors expect me to maximize profits, not to minimize them or go half or go 70 percent but to go to 100 percent of the profit curve.'

Ocasio-Cortez unearthed a very different story about pharmaceutical innovation that is not widely understood by consumers: most of these drugs would not exist if it weren’t for public investment. This does not mean that the private sector is completely inept or that the public sector is anywhere near perfect, but it does mean story we tell about economic prosperity in America is deeply flawed. Every single one of the 210 new drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) from 2010 to 2016 was developed thanks to NIH’s taxpayer-funded research."
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You ignored this and all other interactions in comittee.
Not just her either
 
57Brave said:
Taking you at your word, I have yet to see your alternatives. Counter proposals.
Outside of maintain status quo.
On any issue

I know enough about math to kmow you cant prove a negative.
What are your constructive alternatives
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My solution was to make teleportation device
 
And that is why you or your ideology cant be taken seriously.
Sorta like voting for Gary Johnson.
You dont stand for anything of consequence
 
Your idea is that:

- crazy person makes insane policy suggestion with no basis in reality

- sane person calls it crazy

- 57 says sane person has no counter proposal!

Well, my counter proposal is just as realistic, just as doable, but would be way more effective.

Now, you must have counter counter proposal!
 
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