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mqt said:
Maybe both sides of the aisle can come together to reject Joe Biden.
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You guys are late to the party. This has been known about Biden for a long time but it was a 'Conservative conspiracy theory'.
 
Alan
‏ @idontwan2know
2h2 hours ago

Here's the thing with the Biden stuff.

We been knew that this man shows a distinct lack of respect for people's personal space.

There's enough evidence of him doing it to dudes to conclude that, barring Joe Biden being a closeted bi man, it's probably not sexually motivated.


If we were smarter as a people, this would be a great chance to talk about whether the handsy person's motivations really matter when it clearly has made some of the receivers uncomfortable. But apparently we're not smart enough to have that conversation.

So we get a reductive debate about whether he's a perv or an awkward uncle, when it's pretty obvious neither is fully the case. 🤷*♂️
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I just think he is too fookin' old.

As well as Bernie,Elizabeth and Donny
As well as anyone else born before Corvairs or the Cuban Missile Crisis
 
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Indivisible Network
‏ @IndivisibleNet
Apr 2

"Creepy Uncle Joe"

Please, if you say this, you are saying the right wing talking points.

Please stop.

Don't divide us. If Biden becomes the Democratic nominee...

Will you vote for him?


of course i will -that is a stupid question - but the ground work from both (D) and (R) is being laid.
I don't see him surviving

2020 version of "Crooked Hillary"
 
57Brave said:
Alan
‏ @idontwan2know
2h2 hours ago

Here's the thing with the Biden stuff.

We been knew that this man shows a distinct lack of respect for people's personal space.

There's enough evidence of him doing it to dudes to conclude that, barring Joe Biden being a closeted bi man, it's probably not sexually motivated.


If we were smarter as a people, this would be a great chance to talk about whether the handsy person's motivations really matter when it clearly has made some of the receivers uncomfortable. But apparently we're not smart enough to have that conversation.

So we get a reductive debate about whether he's a perv or an awkward uncle, when it's pretty obvious neither is fully the case. 路*♂️
..................................

I just think he is too fookin' old.

As well as Bernie,Elizabeth and Donny
As well as anyone else born before Corvairs or the Cuban Missile Crisis
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It appears to be a personal space thing more than anything else. Biden needs to adjust with the times. He needs to understand not everyone wants the touchy feely treatment. At business meetings, my default now is a handshake even with people I used to hug. If they offer a hug I do a hug but I don't initiate.
 
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57Brave said:
Indivisible Network
‏ @IndivisibleNet
Apr 2

"Creepy Uncle Joe"

Please, if you say this, you are saying the right wing talking points.

Please stop.

Don't divide us. If Biden becomes the Democratic nominee...

Will you vote for him?


of course i will -that is a stupid question - but the ground work from both (D) and (R) is being laid.
I don't see him surviving

2020 version of "Crooked Hillary"
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I've been working on a project that looks at these social media attacks. Even before the Flores article came out this line of attack was being pushed. The project I was working tries to identify the allegiance of the people pushing the attack based on past posting history. It appears most of it is coming from the left, people associated with the Sanders campaign. There is some coming from other parts of the political spectrum, but most is coming from the left. And there is some coordination. It isn't just a random thing that people are picking up on. I'm talking pre-Flores article here.
 
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thethe said:
You guys are late to the party. This has been known about Biden for a long time but it was a 'Conservative conspiracy theory'.
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Some are, I’ve been pretty against Biden for a while. He has his bright spots, but they’re outweighed by the negatives.
 
Interesting line of attack unfurled against Sanders in WaPo column today: Bernie Sanders Has Emerged as the Trump of the Left. It is a bit unfair. But there is enough to maybe stick.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...bd41a2ce4d5_story.html?utm_term=.afbb3eb24f27

Sanders isn’t Trump in the race-baiting, lender-cheating, fact-avoiding, porn-actress-paying, Putin-loving sense. But their styles are similar: shouting and unsmiling, anti-establishment and anti-media, absolutely convinced of their own correctness, attacking boogeymen (the “1 percent” and CEOs in Sanders’s case, instead of immigrants and minorities), offering impractical promises with vague details, lacking nuance and nostalgic for the past.

Btw, I think there are also parallels to be drawn between Trump and Sanders supporters. A lack of realism and maturity about what the political process is supposed to produce. A desire to turn over the apple cart and not caring too much where the apples end up. Or alternatively being willing to blindly assume that their man will make sure those apples end up in a better place, even though neither has realistic plans for making that happen and neither has demonstrated the political chops to make anything happen. Politics is a hard business, but voters seem increasingly drawn to people with simplistic and wildly unrealistic appeals.
 
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nsacpi said:
Interesting line of attack unfurled against Sanders in WaPo column today: Bernie Sanders Has Emerged as the Trump of the Left. It is a bit unfair. But there is enough to maybe stick.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...bd41a2ce4d5_story.html?utm_term=.afbb3eb24f27

Sanders isn’t Trump in the race-baiting, lender-cheating, fact-avoiding, porn-actress-paying, Putin-loving sense. But their styles are similar: shouting and unsmiling, anti-establishment and anti-media, absolutely convinced of their own correctness, attacking boogeymen (the “1 percent” and CEOs in Sanders’s case, instead of immigrants and minorities), offering impractical promises with vague details, lacking nuance and nostalgic for the past.

Btw, I think there are also parallels to be drawn between Trump and Sanders supporters. A lack of realism and maturity about what the political process is supposed to produce. A desire to turn over the apple cart and not caring too much where the apples end up. Or alternatively being willing to blindly assume that their man will make sure those apples end up in a better place, even though neither has realistic plans for making that happen and neither has demonstrated the political chops to make anything happen. Politics is a hard business, but voters seem increasingly drawn to people with simplistic and wildly unrealistic appeals.
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Agreed. I would add both base their economic policies on the recommendations of fringe economists / theories.
 
Starting the anti-Sanders rhetoric early. The DNC doesn't like Sanders because he's basically thumbed his nose at them for about 40 years. Beating the Democrats at their own game to win the nomination than run as independent. Running on his name rather than the D next to his name.
 
nsacpi said:
not that mainstream is perfect but fringe is fringe for a reason
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I’m almost nostalgic for a guy like Larry Summers...someone who I may disagree with on certain issues, but who I can at least respect as an economist.

People like Stephanie Kelton (Sanders) and Peter Navarro (Trump).......yikes
 
acesfull86 said:
Agreed. I would add both base their economic policies on the recommendations of fringe economists / theories.
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I think I have come to the realization that we are best off with a Democratic President and a Republican Congress. The Republicans will actually be fiscally conservative and they will investigate anything that moves. That's how I like it.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I think I have come to the realization that we are best off with a Democratic President and a Republican Congress. The Republicans will actually be fiscally conservative and they will investigate anything that moves. That's how I like it.
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Well anything other than their own. Otherwise I think you're close to the mark.
 
That’s a huge problem for a party that’s basing themselves around a man who is willing to lie at the drop of a red hat—and also willing to drop it. There’s no predicting what Trump will say. Or what he will say after that. It’s a recipe for a party that either spends all its time chasing its tail, or simply takes their minute by minute prompts and acts as a series of repeaters from wherever Trump has momentarily set his dial.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/3/1847480/-The-Trump-stands-alone#read-more


Bear in mind that as well as a Presidential election 2020 many Senators are up for re election and of course the House.
 
Here is the list of the senators whose seats will be on the ballot in 2020, broken down by party:

Republicans
Lamar Alexander (R-Tennessee)
Shelley Moore Capito (R-West Virginia)
Bill Cassidy (R-Louisiana)
Susan Collins (R-Maine)
John Cornyn (R-Texas)
Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas)
Steve Daines (R-Montana)
Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming)
Joni Ernst (R-Iowa)
Cory Gardner (R-Colorado)
Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina)
Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-Mississippi) -- Hyde-Smith was appointed by Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant to fill the seat vacated by Sen. Thad Cochran who resigned due to health issues. She competed in the 2018 special election to fill the term. CNN projects the race will go to a runoff. Hyde-Smith will compete against Democratic challenger Mike Espy since no candidate received 50% of the vote total. The contest will take place on Tuesday, November 27. A full six-year term election will be held in 2020.
James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma)
Jon Kyl (R-Arizona) -- It is expected that there will be an open special election in 2020 for the seat because Kyl has said he will not run in 2020. A full six-year term election will take place in 2022.
Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky)
David Perdue (R-GA)
Jim Risch (R-Idaho)
Pat Roberts (R-Kansas)
Mike Rounds (R-South Dakota)
Ben Sasse (R-Nebraska)
Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska)
Thom Tillis (R-North Carolina)

Democrats
Cory Booker (D-New Jersey)
Chris Coons (D-Delaware)
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
Doug Jones (D-Alabama)
Ed Markey (D-Massachusetts)
Jeff Merkley (D-Oregon)
Gary Peters (D-Michigan)
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Tina Smith (D-Minnesota) -- Smith was appointed by Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton to fill the vacancy created after Sen. Al Franken decided to resign. She faced a special election in 2018 and CNN projected that Smith defeated her Republican challenger in that race. A full six-year term election will be held for the seat in 2020.

Tom Udall (D-New Mexico)
Mark Warner (D-Virginia)
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I see a lot of purple.
Is it wise for any of these people to back someone with yesterday on his record ?
 
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