BBA Honors Drew Waters

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rico43

<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
Drew Waters has been named as the midseason Braves Minor Leaguer of the Year.

The 20-year-old switch-hitter currently leads the Southern League with a .328 average, 20 doubles, eight triples and 40 runs scored.

The Woodstock, Ga., native was the second round pick in the 2017 draft.

Almost enough to let you forget that No. 1 pick Kyle Wright has yet to deliver on his promise.
 
rico43 said:
Drew Waters has been named as the midseason Braves Minor Leaguer of the Year.

The 20-year-old switch-hitter currently leads the Southern League with a .328 average, 20 doubles, eight triples and 40 runs scored.

The Woodstock, Ga., native was the second round pick in the 2017 draft.

Almost enough to let you forget that No. 1 pick Kyle Wright has yet to deliver on his promise.
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Waters hasn’t even made it to either level Wright has struggled at yet so that’s a statement I’d be careful about throwing around considering Wright has already seen major league action in 2 season.
 
Wright is a bum. Been saying it since well before we drafted him. College pitching sucks ass. They are why bad teams stay bad. Tire of this **** like Wright, Gilmartin, and Hursh. Floor of a #4 starter? Not one of them developed into even a #5. Would be ecstatic if Wright could just be as good as Dan Winkler.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Wright is a bum. Been saying it since well before we drafted him. College pitching sucks ass. They are why bad teams stay bad. Tire of this **** like Wright, Gilmartin, and Hursh. Floor of a #4 starter? Not one of them developed into even a #5. Would be ecstatic if Wright could just be as good as Dan Winkler.
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Seems like a rational and well thought out comment.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Wright is a bum. Been saying it since well before we drafted him. College pitching sucks ass. They are why bad teams stay bad. Tire of this **** like Wright, Gilmartin, and Hursh. Floor of a #4 starter? Not one of them developed into even a #5. Would be ecstatic if Wright could just be as good as Dan Winkler.
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Yeah comparing Wright to either of those 2 is laughable. Most thought Wright was going number 1 overall. What a dumb take.
 
I acknowledge it was a good "value" pick but the Braves failed to trade him to get the most out of that value. It's certainly a lot better than drafting a defensive first college catcher with a top 10 pick. I am sure that's going to turn out well.




I love Waters though. 80 grade baseball name.
 
Wright has been a disappointment. There is no malice, or ambiguity, about that statement. So has Wentz. Doesn't mean they won't turn it around, but we always knew the law of averages meant that some of the young arms the Braves grabbed would fail to pan out.
 
rico43 said:
Wright has been a disappointment. There is no malice, or ambiguity, about that statement. So has Wentz. Doesn't mean they won't turn it around, but we always knew the law of averages meant that some of the young arms the Braves grabbed would fail to pan out.
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How has Wright been a disappointment this early in his career. Yet you’re saying Waters is great. Wright has been at the MLB level and will be back there, waters is still a long ways off.
 
Skeeter31 said:
How has Wright been a disappointment this early in his career. Yet you’re saying Waters is great. Wright has been at the MLB level and will be back there, waters is still a long ways off.
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Thank you... exactly my point. Malice or not it wasn’t a well thought out statement
 
zbhargrove said:
With that walk rate and a .450+ BABIP... yeah, he is
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Fangraphs disagrees

Pache 15 (60)
Riley 25 (55)
Anderson 35 (55)
Waters 37 (55)
Wright 44 (55)
Contreras 47 (50)
Gohara 63 (50)
Wilson 72 (50)
....

Waters has over 1100 career PA with a .400 babip. He seems to sustain a high one
 
zbhargrove said:
With that walk rate and a .450+ BABIP... yeah, he is
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Not really, there are players who have done similarly and done just fine, obviously the numbers will drop a bit but some players just have high BABIP in the minors. For example, here are Starling Marte's minor league numbers, which I think Waters is doing a decent job of imitating so far in some ways:

In AA Marte had a .332/.370/.500 slash line with a .390 BABIP, in A+ Marte had a .424 BABIP and a .315/.386/.432 line, A ball a .400 BABIP and .312/.377/.439 line. The only that concerns me with Water is the k rate, hopefully he gets it down below 25% going forward.
 
auyushu said:
Not really, there are players who have done similarly and done just fine, obviously the numbers will drop a bit but some players just have high BABIP in the minors. For example, here are Starling Marte's minor league numbers, which I think Waters is doing a decent job of imitating so far in some ways:

In AA Marte had a .332/.370/.500 slash line with a .390 BABIP, in A+ Marte had a .424 BABIP and a .315/.386/.432 line, A ball a .400 BABIP and .312/.377/.439 line. The only that concerns me with Water is the k rate, hopefully he gets it down below 25% going forward.
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It’s not just the BABIP... it’s that coupled with the k rate and bb rate. I don’t know how you can just gloss over the BB rate which has not improved at all. That’s much more concerning than a K rate
 
msstate7 said:
Fangraphs disagrees

Pache 15 (60)
Riley 25 (55)
Anderson 35 (55)
Waters 37 (55)
Wright 44 (55)
Contreras 47 (50)
Gohara 63 (50)
Wilson 72 (50)
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Waters has over 1100 career PA with a .400 babip. He seems to sustain a high one
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.400 and .450+ is quite a bit different. And how does Fangraphs disagree? When have I ever said Waters wasn’t a great prospect. I simply said he wasn’t close yet and had some things to work on. How does being ranked 37 on the list mean he’s ready for the majors? It’s be awesome if posters actually read threads but reading comprehension is hard. I simply said he’s far off... nothing about his pedigree as a prospect so please actually try and read the actual words
 
zbhargrove said:
.400 and .450+ is quite a bit different. And how does Fangraphs disagree? When have I ever said Waters wasn’t a great prospect. I simply said he wasn’t close yet and had some things to work on. How does being ranked 37 on the list mean he’s ready for the majors? It’s be awesome if posters actually read threads but reading comprehension is hard. I simply said he’s far off... nothing about his pedigree as a prospect so please actually try and read the actual words
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He's in AA mashing with 2 spots potentially opening up next season in the OF. I don't consider him that far off.
 
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zbhargrove said:
It’s not just the BABIP... it’s that coupled with the k rate and bb rate. I don’t know how you can just gloss over the BB rate which has not improved at all. That’s much more concerning than a K rate
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Gee I dunno, maybe because there have been many players over the years that have succeeded with low walk rates? I mean yeah, I'd much rather see a player with a high walk rate than not obviously, but low walk rates are in no way a definite sign of huge concern. As long as the player has good defense and speed (Waters is plus in both areas by all accounts) then the player can easily be extremely valuable even with a walk rate in the 4-5% range. Starling Marte, Javier Baez, Adalberto Mondesi, Eddie Rosario, and Jonathon Schoop are all current guys that fit that profile.

K rate on the other hand tends to have huge correlation to bust rate, having that K rate near 30% is a big worry. Low walk rate, eh, it's not ideal but given his other skills not a gigantic concern, and as he develops more power it will likely go up as a side effect a little bit.

And he is on pace to be ready/called up around the middle of next season, if that's "far off" I'm not sure what your definition of close is.
 
auyushu said:
Gee I dunno, maybe because there have been many players over the years that have succeeded with low walk rates? I mean yeah, I'd much rather see a player with a high walk rate than not obviously, but low walk rates are in no way a definite sign of huge concern. As long as the player has good defense and speed (Waters is plus in both areas by all accounts) then the player can easily be extremely valuable even with a walk rate in the 4-5% range. Starling Marte, Javier Baez, Adalberto Mondesi, Eddie Rosario, and Jonathon Schoop are all current guys that fit that profile.

K rate on the other hand tends to have huge correlation to bust rate, having that K rate near 30% is a big worry. Low walk rate, eh, it's not ideal but given his other skills not a gigantic concern, and as he develops more power it will likely go up as a side effect a little bit.

And he is on pace to be ready/called up around the middle of next season, if that's "far off" I'm not sure what your definition of close is.
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Oh my lord I never even suggested he won’t succeed. I just was saying he has quite a bit to still work on that’s hidden from his surface stats. He may be called up middle next year but If he doesn’t improve those rates he likely won’t succeed.
 
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