Around The Majors 2019

msstate7 said:
You left off folty
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Folty has been really bad but I don't think he's getting bounced from the rotation anytime soon either. And if he does it's going to be with someone better than Bumgarner. Stroman I feel is the top choice if it comes to that.
 
Folty just needed a few starts to shake the rust off. Last 6 starts: 34 IP, 3.97 ERA, 4.08 xFIP, 9 K/9, 2.65 BB/9. HR rate is still not where you want it to be, but you can tell Folty is coming around.
 
I hope the nats bring Corbin back on short rest. We've hit lhp well this year, and I'm hopeful snit gets the extra RHH in the lineup like vs matz
 
thewupk said:
Madbum: 4.20 FIP 1.0 fWAR
Teheran: 4.35 FIP 1.0 fWAR
Fried: 3.97 FIP 1.2 fWAR
Gausman: 4.13 FIP 0.8 fWAR

I'm still waiting on thethe to tell me how Bumgarner is so much better than what we already have on the roster.
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The bad results of this latest start doesn't mean Bumgarner is a bad pitcher any more than the good results of some of his earlier starts meant he was a TOR guy.

Most of the stats folks look at simply aren't predictive, and people like tehteh and misstake7 routinely try to use them in a predictive manner despite having it explained and proven to them repeatedly.

Bumgarner's xwOBA is now sitting at .343. That is a back end SP, no matter what narrative fans want to build around him. He is fine for filling in the back of a rotation, but he is not a guy that a team should be willing to give up a package of Newk and Fried to acquire, and he is not a guy a team should be extending for 6ish years.

How many times do these same posters have to argue from a position of ignorance, and be proven wrong, before they realize they don't know much?
 
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Heyward said:
He's better than Gausman, i wouldnt empty the farm for him.
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Wrong.

Gausman xwOBA: .324
Bumgarner xwOBA: .343

Gausman FIP: 4.13
Bumgarner FIP: 4.20

Please stop arguing from a position of extreme ignorance.

You are, like many others, letting Bumgarner's overall results in an extreme pitchers' park incorrectly skew your valuation of him.
 
Enscheff said:
The bad results of this latest start doesn't mean Bumgarner is a bad pitcher any more than the good results of some of his earlier starts didn't mean he was a TOR guy.

Most of the stats folks look at simply aren't predictive, and people like tehteh and misstake7 routinely try to use them in a predictive manner despite having it explained and proven to them repeatedly.

Bumgarner's xwOBA is now sitting at .343. That is a back end SP, no matter what narrative fans want to build around him. He is fine for filling in the back of a rotation, but he is not a guy that a team should be willing to give up a package of Newk and Fried to acquire, and he is not a guy a team should be extending for 6ish years.

How many times do these same posters have to argue from a position of ignorance, and be proven wrong, before they realize they don't know much?
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1-1 on our bets. Let's see how this one turns out

ETA... actually, I'm 2-1 vs you. I lost on KEMvP, and won on Adams and camargo
 
msstate7 said:
1-1 on our bets. Let's see how this one turns out

ETA... actually, I'm 2-1 vs you. I lost on KEMvP, and won on Adams and camargo
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I can't remember any other bets besides the Camargo one. Mous WAR vs Camargo WAR last year, correct?

So yes, you won the bet in 2018, but I was ultimately correct about Camargo long term claiming he is a bench player.

Just like dumb luck for a single season can make a player look good, dumb luck can make you right for a short period of time.

I'm also going to guess the other times you won was simply because I didn't allow for enough of a sample size.
 
Enscheff said:
I can't remember any other bets besides the Camargo one. Mous WAR vs Camargo WAR last year, correct?

So yes, you won the bet in 2018, but I was ultimately correct about Camargo long term claiming he is a bench player.

Just like dumb luck for a single season can make a player look good, dumb luck can make you right for a short period of time.

I'm also going to guess the other times you won was simply because I didn't allow for enough of a sample size.
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Nah, it was just my SUPERIOR baseball knowledge shining through. If you study real hard, one day you too can be a baseball genius like myself

Haha
 
Enscheff said:
I can't remember any other bets besides the Camargo one. Mous WAR vs Camargo WAR last year, correct?

So yes, you won the bet in 2018, but I was ultimately correct about Camargo long term claiming he is a bench player.

Just like dumb luck for a single season can make a player look good, dumb luck can make you right for a short period of time.

I'm also going to guess the other times you won was simply because I didn't allow for enough of a sample size.
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I still think it's possible Camargo at 3b could be a 2-3 WAR player. Now obviously Moose Tacos is still better than him, but I do think you sell Camargo short quite a bit. He plays good defense at the hot corner and is likely a .750+ OPS hitter.
 
friend sent me a headline mentioning the Phillies pursuing Bauer...the proposed return for the Indians for Bauer?
Mickey Moniak. that's it.
 
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