Braves trading for Stroman?

Enscheff said:
Chris
2:30 The stroman to braves Twitter storm sure is fun!! What would it take for it to actually happen?
Craig Edwards
2:33 As for Stroman's trade value generally, he's the best, most realistic option out there for every team. He isn't Syndergaard, but he's really good and arb eligible next season at a low rate which opens the number of suitors. He will need to make a few more starts because he hasn't started this month. I would imagine it would take one top-50ish prospect plus somebody else near the back of the top-100 to get a deal done assuming Stroman shows he's healthy.

For those keeping score at home that's something like one of Anderson/Waters/Wright/Contreras plus one of Wilson/Muller/Lango/Wentz.

My rough calcs puts Stroman with ~$35M in surplus value (2 wins this year including contenders premium, plus 3.5 wins next year, times $8M per win, minus the $10M-$15M he will be paid, plus the value of being able to non-tender him if his arm falls off).

So a FV 55 pitcher (Anderson/Wright) plus filler, or a FV 50 position player/pitcher plus something else real seems to add up. I don't see any way the Jays can expect to pull a FV 55 position prospect like Waters for Stroman though, unless someone counts Clint Frazier in that category.

Wright plus filler for Stroman, or Wilson plus something else of real value seems like the type of package we can expect it to take to get the size XXXL jock strap in Atlanta.
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Anyone know how bad this injury is? Maybe the injury lowers the price some but I'm worried about taking on an injured pitcher.

Really interesting to see if AA thinks a guy like Stroman is really a big upgrade.

I keep thinking he'll be more likely to get an Ivan Nova type to eat innings for nothing or just cycle through guys.
 
Enscheff said:
I’m probably the high man around here on Wright, but I can’t be too upset over cashing him in now.

I would prefer Folty and Gausman return to form and the Braves stop dumping assets into the rotation though.
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What is to”form” though? Folty has had one good year...one. Gausman (although talented), has also been decently inconsistent most of his career. I’m all for hanging onto them in hopes they will(both could do that), but betting the season on either of them to turn it around is a 50/50 shot at best.
 
The way AA explained himself in the interview is that he wants to have four starting pitchers he is comfortable going into a playoff series with. Right now he has 2 and he is open to internal candidates stepping forward and making their case. But time is running short and he is going to be checking on the availability of external candidates.
 
TheBravos said:
What is to”form” though? Folty has had one good year...one. Gausman (although talented), has also been decently inconsistent most of his career. I’m all for hanging onto them in hopes they will(both could do that), but betting the season on either of them to turn it around is a 50/50 shot at best.
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Skepticism over Folty is certainly warranted, and I think the optimism around him stems from the fact that everyone has been waiting for that stuff to turn into TOR production. When it finally happened for a full season, we kinda acted like it was a permanent thing, when we probably would have been more skeptical towards any other pitcher on any other team. So yeah, maybe it's dumb to count on Folty being great again, and maybe we saw his career season in 2018.

Gausman, however, is what he is though...a declining pitcher who was a #3. Maybe it's also foolish to think he's going to rebound to being anything more than a #4 at this point as well.

I guess the point is that Bumgarner isn't anything more than a #4 anymore either, so why bother?

Aside from this year, Stroman has been a #4 since his awesome 2015, and even this year is more of a #3 than a TOR guy.

Wheeler, for all his promise, is only posting a .304 xwOBA this year, and posted a .342 mark in 2017. His .278 mark in 2018 could very well be his career season.

All these trade options, and none of them are slam dunks to be appreciably better than Folty/Gaus/Wilson/Anderson/Wright, so why spend real prospect capital to acquire any of them? Especially when the sheer number of arms in the system could allow for creative bullpenning or pitcher pairing?

Just like Paxton was the only difference maker available this past off season so I was in favor of getting him, Thor is the only true difference maker available now. All of the other available options would certainly make the team better, but they aren't so much better than the internal options to be worth giving up anything that isn't a very good good value play by AA (meaning the other team overvalues one of the Braves assets).
 
Russ2dollas said:
Anyone know how bad this injury is? Maybe the injury lowers the price some but I'm worried about taking on an injured pitcher.

Really interesting to see if AA thinks a guy like Stroman is really a big upgrade.

I keep thinking he'll be more likely to get an Ivan Nova type to eat innings for nothing or just cycle through guys.
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Pretty sure it's a pec strain and he will pitch again on Sunday. Supposedly a minor thing.
 
From MLBTR

The Braves and Blue Jays haven’t had any discussions about Marcus Stroman, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports (Twitter link). While Stroman would be a fit on at least half the teams in the league, Atlanta stands out as a natural landing spot due to both the Braves’ talented but generally inexperienced rotation, and the connection between Stroman and Braves GM Alex Anthopoulos (who had the same job in Toronto from 2009-15). While a lack of talks to this point doesn’t mean that Stroman couldn’t eventually become a Braves target, Atlanta has been linked to other pitchers such as Madison Bumgarner or Zack Wheeler, and could simply prefer one of those players (or another arm altogether) to Stroman.
 
Enscheff said:
I’m probably the high man around here on Wright, but I can’t be too upset over cashing him in now.

I would prefer Folty and Gausman return to form and the Braves stop dumping assets into the rotation though.
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so are we getting to about the time we call Wright a bad draft pick? At the time we drafted him, the pick was given much praise by experts and even said he might have been the best player in the draft.
 
NYCBrave said:
so are we getting to about the time we call Wright a bad draft pick? At the time we drafted him, the pick was given much praise by experts and even said he might have been the best player in the draft.
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it wasn’t a bad pick. just hasn’t worked out so far and may not at all.
 
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