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jpx7 said:
Perhaps; but why be satisfied with the current form? Why not explore producing more and better conduits?
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Thats fine...lets figure out what that is. Because from what I can tell the current system of welfare is not really bettering peoples lives. Its just prolonging their malaise.
 
KeithLockhart said:
I think most progressives/liberals here and in general would agree with you.

Too bad the conservative media wants you to believe we don't believe in hard work nor capitalism.
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I freely think. I don't listen\watch\read any media for my politics.

If I did, I would hardly look at the media in general as "conservative".
 
thethe said:
That was just one thing that happened to me in my life. Nobody needs to know or quite frankly cares about other issues that I have had to deal with in my life.

In the end, every person has control of their lives. Some were given a worse deck of cards than others but aside from severe mental & physical disabilities every person can make the correct decisions in their lives to become relatively successful.
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This is where I'll disagree with you. There are some hands, that while having the same number of cards as everyone else as the table, can't be played and the challenges go beyond physical or mental disabilities.

There's an interesting movement picking up steam on both the intellectual left and the intellectual right and that's the idea of what has historically been termed a "guaranteed minimuml income." The government would provide everyone with a certain stipend which they could spend as they see fit, but things like food stamps and subsidized housing would go away. Put simply, people would be given the wherewithal to purchase goods within the free market.

For those of you on the right who want to poo-poo this, have a seance and talk to the ghosts of Milton Friedman and Friederich Hayek, who both suggested this approach. Conservative sociologist Charles Murray has been the latest to promote this from the right.

Curious to see if this gets any legs.
 
thethe said:
Thats fine...lets figure out what that is. Because from what I can tell the current system of welfare is not really bettering peoples lives. Its just prolonging their malaise.
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There are vastly fewer impoverished in the US now than one-hundred years ago, and the implementation of a safety-net has been the dominant cause. Improving said net is possible, and should be pursued, but the first step isn't to snatch it away and tear it up.
 
jpx7 said:
There are vastly fewer impoverished in the US now than one-hundred years ago, and the implementation of a safety-net has been the dominant cause. Improving said net is possible, and should be pursued, but the first step isn't to snatch it away and tear it up.
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I don't see how you can say what the predominant factor was in that fact. There are probably hundreds of factors that played into that.
 
weso1 said:
This is why Bedell doesn't want to post here. Steak Sauce constantly projects opinions of other people onto us and then tries to mock us for it. He has an assumption of what we are thinking before we think it. At least use our own words to mock us like crump does... :Alone:
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This is why I don't bother either. You cannot have a good conversation when Steak Sauce appears. It is like you are want to get your freak on with bone Kate Upton, than Steak Stauce, aka Roseann Barr shows up instead nekkid.

He is by far the most leftist individual and lacks the most common sense of any individual I have ever read on any message board.
 
AerchAngel said:
This is why I don't bother either. You cannot have a good conversation when Steak Sauce appears. It is like you are want to get your freak on with bone Kate Upton, than Steak Stauce, aka Roseann Barr shows up instead nekkid.

He is by far the most leftist individual and lacks the most common sense of any individual I have ever read on any message board.
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It's probably how most people in the Senate feel when Ted Cruz walks in.
 
KeithLockhart said:
It's probably how most people in the Senate feel when Ted Cruz walks in.
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Who's Ted Cruz? I do not follow parties any more. I gave up dealing with either side and their simpletons. I know Rand Paul and Chris Christie and of course Obummer/Pelosi/Reid aka three headed circus.
 
weso1 said:
I'd rather just have the money back in my wallet and spend more on my own charity of choice.
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i would rather my tax dollars not go to the bloated and wasteful defense budget

want to cry with me about not getting to pick and choose where each one of our tax dollars goes?
 
weso1 said:
I would, but I'm afraid the black teens in south Atlanta will knock me out.
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You should be OK if you carry a gun, like this guy

On February 26th a man waiting for his six-year-old daughter to to dropped off from school had no idea he would be the city's first reported victim.

The victim was attacked by 17-year-old Marvell Weaver. But Weaver did more than try to knock his victim out, he tried to do it with a taser. Luckily for the victim, the taser didn't work and he was able to protect himself with his concealed-carry .40 caliber pistol.

"He shoved something into my side. I wasn't sure what it was. It had some force to it. I wasn't sure if it was a knife or a gun," said the victim.

Weaver was shot twice, in the leg and an inch away from his spine. He's been sentenced to a year in jail for the attack, but he admits he's getting off easy.

"It was just a lesson learned. I wish I hadn't played the game at all," said Weaver.
 
50PoundHead said:
This is where I'll disagree with you. There are some hands, that while having the same number of cards as everyone else as the table, can't be played and the challenges go beyond physical or mental disabilities.

There's an interesting movement picking up steam on both the intellectual left and the intellectual right and that's the idea of what has historically been termed a "guaranteed minimuml income." The government would provide everyone with a certain stipend which they could spend as they see fit, but things like food stamps and subsidized housing would go away. Put simply, people would be given the wherewithal to purchase goods within the free market.

For those of you on the right who want to poo-poo this, have a seance and talk to the ghosts of Milton Friedman and Friederich Hayek, who both suggested this approach. Conservative sociologist Charles Murray has been the latest to promote this from the right.

Curious to see if this gets any legs.
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Pandora's Box
 
50pound,

What happens in that movement when they blow their stipend and don't get healthcare/ins/ food with that stipend? Is there another safety net? Are we going to be "callous" with them after that? I'd be interested to know.
 
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