I don't know if he did those things. The media was asleep for 8 years.
What I do know is Obama weaponized the FBI/CIA against an opposition presidential candidate.
Small things....
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I don't know if he did those things. The media was asleep for 8 years.
What I do know is Obama weaponized the FBI/CIA against an opposition presidential candidate.
Small things....
nsacpi
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you said
"Even if this absurd scenario were true do you think this would be the first of its nature in our history?"
just wondering about your take with respect to presidential norms and precedents...
my take on Obama is that he erred by not sharing the information he had with the American people...he should not have allowed McConnell a veto on that
And my response is that we don't know what he did because the media decided to become 'jouranlists' under Trump.
I think you are naive to think that world leaders would not have conversations like this in the past.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
That's why I was asking you to help me refresh my memory with regards to similar actions taken by past presidents. Let me know if you come up with something.
I have a vague memory of LBJ asking the pope to put a fatwa on Goldwater. But my memory is hazy there.
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Continue to think this is abnormal to satisfy your personal bias. You 'know' this is abnormal as much as I 'know' its normal.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
sure...I just can't come up with examples...but they must be out there
You came up with examples of no information. You dont' know what you don't know.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Rummy would be proud of that last sentence.
nsacpi
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...se-involving-ukraine-is-particularly-ominous/
We know basically nothing about what the whistleblower says Trump might have “promised” or discussed about Ukraine, or even whether it specifically involved that July 25 phone call with Zelensky, which came two and a half weeks before the whistleblower complaint was filed on Aug. 12.
But the Ukrainian government’s readout of that call mentioned how Trump was “convinced the new Ukrainian government will be able to quickly improve [the] image of Ukraine, [and] complete [the] investigation of corruption cases, which inhibited the interaction between Ukraine and the USA.”
We know basically nothing about what the whistleblower says Trump might have “promised” or discussed about Ukraine, or even whether it specifically involved that July 25 phone call with Zelensky, which came two and a half weeks before the whistleblower complaint was filed on Aug. 12.
But the Ukrainian government’s readout of that call mentioned how Trump was “convinced the new Ukrainian government will be able to quickly improve [the] image of Ukraine, [and] complete [the] investigation of corruption cases, which inhibited the interaction between Ukraine and the USA.”
Runnin
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I know Trump is a bumbling liar and will continue to get himself tangled up in the basic rules of government.
nsacpi
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Ukraine is ready to investigate the connections Joe Biden’s son Hunter had with the Ukrainian natural-gas company Burisma Holdings, according to Anton Geraschenko, a senior adviser to the country’s interior minister who would oversee such an inquiry.
Geraschenko told The Daily Beast in an exclusive interview that “as soon as there is an official request from the Trump administration, we’ll look into it,” but “currently there is no open investigation.”
“Clearly,” said Geraschenko, “Trump is now looking for kompromat to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison.” Among the counts on which Manafort was convicted: tax evasion. “We do not investigate Biden in Ukraine, since we have not received a single official request to do so,” said Geraschenko.
His remarks last week came amid widespread speculation that U.S. President Donald Trump had made vital U.S. military aid for Ukraine contingent on such an inquiry, but had tried to do so informally through unofficial representatives, including his lawyer Rudy Giuliani and Giuliani’s adviser on Ukraine, Sam Kislin.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukrai...-sonbut-only-if-theres-an-official-us-request
Geraschenko told The Daily Beast in an exclusive interview that “as soon as there is an official request from the Trump administration, we’ll look into it,” but “currently there is no open investigation.”
“Clearly,” said Geraschenko, “Trump is now looking for kompromat to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison.” Among the counts on which Manafort was convicted: tax evasion. “We do not investigate Biden in Ukraine, since we have not received a single official request to do so,” said Geraschenko.
His remarks last week came amid widespread speculation that U.S. President Donald Trump had made vital U.S. military aid for Ukraine contingent on such an inquiry, but had tried to do so informally through unofficial representatives, including his lawyer Rudy Giuliani and Giuliani’s adviser on Ukraine, Sam Kislin.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukrai...-sonbut-only-if-theres-an-official-us-request
Runnin
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I don't believe anything, but ...
Thomas Clay Jr.
10 hrs
It's Dan Coates. It has to be. Two weeks after he resigned he walked into a meeting at the White House and told his deputy she needed to resign immediately and she did. Four days after that the Inspector General got the whistleblower report!
In addition to this we know the unnamed whistleblower has retained an attorney who was a career lawyer at the CIA and is now in private practice. This lends even more credence to it being Coates.
If he told the president of Ukraine that the $250 million in military aid is dependent on them investigating Biden, holy ****!
In an interesting turn of events, Rudy Giuliani said on CNN tonight that if Trump did do that, it wasn't illegal! Umm, yes it is Rudy. Offering a foreign nation money to do damage to your political enemies is downright corruption not seen since Sadaam and Idi Amin were around.
Thomas Clay Jr.
10 hrs
It's Dan Coates. It has to be. Two weeks after he resigned he walked into a meeting at the White House and told his deputy she needed to resign immediately and she did. Four days after that the Inspector General got the whistleblower report!
In addition to this we know the unnamed whistleblower has retained an attorney who was a career lawyer at the CIA and is now in private practice. This lends even more credence to it being Coates.
If he told the president of Ukraine that the $250 million in military aid is dependent on them investigating Biden, holy ****!
In an interesting turn of events, Rudy Giuliani said on CNN tonight that if Trump did do that, it wasn't illegal! Umm, yes it is Rudy. Offering a foreign nation money to do damage to your political enemies is downright corruption not seen since Sadaam and Idi Amin were around.
cajunrevenge
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That was/is my guess. Trump attempted to use military aid as leverage to get Ukraine to play along with the narrative they want to push about Biden.
nsacpi
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I don't know that there is a law against it. But it is an abuse of office and an abuse of power. And there may be obstruction involved if he ordered the complaint to be deep sixed.
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Runnin
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Well, he is a dealmaker, afterall.
Runnin
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I love it when you confirm my personal bias.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
you personal biases are obvious and abnormal
sturg33
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Dont we this story by now?
Anonymous sources make "this is big" claims
The useless media pounce and report on the impending impeachment
The TDS crowd jumps on it and believes every word without a single critical thought
Someone actually does real journalism and finds its nothing.
The MSM drops the story.
The TDS crowd moves on to the next thing.
The cycle continues
Anonymous sources make "this is big" claims
The useless media pounce and report on the impending impeachment
The TDS crowd jumps on it and believes every word without a single critical thought
Someone actually does real journalism and finds its nothing.
The MSM drops the story.
The TDS crowd moves on to the next thing.
The cycle continues