Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

50PoundHead said:
nsacpi, I agree. It's not the annual salary outlay where Wren has been wrong (except for perhaps Upton where he appeared to bid against himself), it's been on length of contract. The problem is that the overall market has veered in the direction where the larger markets can and will take on longer contracts and that has put Wren at a competitive disadvantage.

And you're right about Uggla and perhaps I shouldn't lump him in with free agent signings, but the decision to extend his contract was a distinction without a difference.
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Last off-season we saw the older centerfielders on the FA market get fairly long deals. Bourn and Pagan got 4. Victorino got 3. And we gave Upton who was younger 5. So the market definitely makes it hard for a team to control how long these contracts run. I think with the market like that maybe we should have used some of our prospects to get Span or Revere. Easy to say in hindsight. But I think this is the lesson Wren is going to draw. I sense zero interest on his part to make a significant FA signing this off-season.
 
Tapate50 said:
Boy, Victorino would have made a lot of difference on this club .
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He had a pretty poor year in 2012 at age 31. Shows you shouldn't give too much weight to one season whether it is a poor season or great one. I always like to look at the player's last three years and choose the middle year (in terms of performance) to judge what is likely to come next.
 
nsacpi said:
He had a pretty poor year in 2012 at age 31. Shows you shouldn't give too much weight to one season whether it is a poor season or great one. I always like to look at the player's last three years and choose the middle year (in terms of performance) to judge what is likely to come next.
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Agree. Victorino settled for 3 years instead of the 5 we gave Upton and we could use that type of flexibility. Of course, Victorino really isn't a CF anymore, which likely played into the decision-making.
 
nsacpi said:
Last off-season we saw the older centerfielders on the FA market get fairly long deals. Bourn and Pagan got 4. Victorino got 3. And we gave Upton who was younger 5. So the market definitely makes it hard for a team to control how long these contracts run. I think with the market like that maybe we should have used some of our prospects to get Span or Revere. Easy to say in hindsight. But I think this is the lesson Wren is going to draw. I sense zero interest on his part to make a significant FA signing this off-season.
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IMO, The really good GM's do a good job of not falling victim to the "Well the market dictated we had to go to X years" especially for a player like BJ Upton. Now, if you think that player is worth the X years at X amount then go for it but signing a player to terms, just because the market dictates it, is usually a horrible way to sign free agents.
 
BRule said:
IMO, The really good GM's do a good job of not falling victim to the "Well the market dictated we had to go to X years" especially for a player like BJ Upton. Now, if you think that player is worth the X years at X amount then go for it but signing a player to terms, just because the market dictates it, is usually a horrible way to sign free agents.
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What do you think of the Cardinals signing Peralta for 4 years through age 32-35.
 
Heyward said:
What do you think of the Cardinals signing Peralta for 4 years through age 32-35.
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Don't get it, very un-Cardinals like move, he's had 2 years in the last 7 with an OPS over 690 and one was this year where he got caught for PEDs.

Not saying most teams don't do it but if you continue to do that year, after year then you probably aren't going to win a lot. Obviously the Cardinals don't make this kind of move a ton.
 
Heyward said:
What do you think of the Cardinals signing Peralta for 4 years through age 32-35.
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Hmmm. They have a hole at short similar to our situation in center last off-season. Similar to the BJ Upton signing imo. Except for Peralta's age and PED history. Doesn't mean that it will end badly, but I think the Cards would have been better served using their surplus of young starting pitchers to get a younger, less expensive, less risky SS.
 
nsacpi said:
Hmmm. They have a hole at short similar to our situation in center last off-season. Similar to the BJ Upton signing imo. Except for Peralta's age and PED history. Doesn't mean that it will end badly, but I think the Cards would have been better served using their surplus of young starting pitchers to get a younger, less expensive, less risky SS.
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The latter is why i think they signed him.

I dont think they wanted to trade their young pitching for a SS.
 
nsacpi said:
Maybe they tried for a trade and couldn't find a good match. Still the signing looks bad to me.
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I wouldnt say bad, he's the only real good SS on the open market.

Drew comes with draft pick compensation.

I do find it a little weird they get better defensively with Bourjos but get worse on defense with Peralta.
 
According to MLBTR the Twins' franchise record for a FA (until now) is Josh Willingham, at 3/21.

Does anybody still want to bitch about Liberty?
 
Don't get me wrong. I live up here in Minnesota and the Twins are incredibly tight, but I believe the $28 million to Maddux was for the life of his deal and not one season.
 
Yes, it was over 5 years. My point was that the Twins don't appear to spend money. At all. Except on Mauer. I didn't realize they were that tight.
 
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