The Trump Presidency

striker42 said:
One of Obama's favorite phrases was "the wrong side of history". Essentially, anyone who who didn't espouse progressive beliefs was labeled by Obama or the left as on the wrong side of history. It's that kind of stuff that helped ripen the fields for Trump.

While there have always been people willing to follow a demagouge like Trump, 8 years of normal, hardworking Americans being patronized by the left drove people to support Trump who would ordinarily find him repugnant. All he had to do was tell them they're right and shouldn't feel bad about believing the way they do.
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He was right about that, just as people who continue to support Trump are on the wrong side of history. They may even prevail in the short term, but they are wrong and history will show it. The arch of history bends toward justice, or something like that, not con men and tribal populists.
 
Runnin said:
He was right about that, just as people who continue to support Trump are on the wrong side of history. They may even prevail in the short term, but they are wrong and history will show it. The arch of history bends toward justice, or something like that, not con men and tribal populists.
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I disagree. Many of the people we hold out as great in history were conmen, tribal populists, or just downright evil. Conversely, some of the people we villify were actually good people.

History is written by the winners.
 
The Chosen One said:
I mean, the wrong side of history stuff correct me if I'm wrong was about social issues like DADT and gay marriage.

Red states (and some purple states) were banning SSM in the 2000s before he was President.
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That's part of it. You might think the red areas are backward for opposing same sex marriage but the fact remains they are fellow Americans. Respectfully disagreeing with your opponents keeps them sane. Degrading them and patronizing them drives them to demagogues.

If it makes you feel any better, the Republicans are doing the same thing.
 
striker42 said:
That's part of it. You might think the red areas are backward for opposing same sex marriage but the fact remains they are fellow Americans. Respectfully disagreeing with your opponents keeps them sane. Degrading them and patronizing them drives them to demagogues.

If it makes you feel any better, the Republicans are doing the same thing.
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But here's the thing.

They were banning ssm via legislation. It wasn't respectfully disagreeing. They drew blood. SCOTUS, however you feel about them stepping in on this, stepped in.

Those people who were banning ssm are the same ones who continue to call Obama a muslim and traitor to this day.
 
Runnin said:
He was right about that, just as people who continue to support Trump are on the wrong side of history. They may even prevail in the short term, but they are wrong and history will show it. The arch of history bends toward justice, or something like that, not con men and tribal populists.
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I really hope today's socialists take a look st some history and decide which side they want to be on
 
striker42 said:
That's part of it. You might think the red areas are backward for opposing same sex marriage but the fact remains they are fellow Americans. Respectfully disagreeing with your opponents keeps them sane. Degrading them and patronizing them drives them to demagogues.

If it makes you feel any better, the Republicans are doing the same thing.
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I think this goes a little too easy on folks who are perfectly happy when the language of judgements and moral certainty (for their side) is socially acceptable and politically empowered, yet absolutely flips their wigs when the tables turn, and end up latching onto something as reductive and morally vacuous as Trumpism.
 
Julio3000 said:
I’d really love to take away the choice of, say, buying your insulin or paying your rent for the month.
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What youre really saying is youd like to take the choice away from someone to charge what they want for their property/ideas/effort.

Who is John Galt?
 
thethe said:
What youre really saying is youd like to take the choice away from someone to charge what they want for their property/ideas/effort.

Who is John Galt?
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No what we are saying is the sick should be able to live in a manner that lets them not have to make the choice between rent and medicine. Even if that means pharma has to take a loss and actually GIVE the medicine free of charge. But I can see where that would not work for you because a dollar would be lost in the chain.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
No what we are saying is the sick should be able to live in a manner that lets them not have to make the choice between rent and medicine. Even if that means pharma has to take a loss and actually GIVE the medicine free of charge. But I can see where that would not work for you because a dollar would be lost in the chain.
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Good luck encouraging the greatest minds to come up with the cure for the next disease.
 
Runnin said:
The "greatest minds" are motivated by more than money. Such a cynical and capitalist idea.
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Its an idea proven time and time again. I know its hard to grasp but greatness is rewarded by the standard of value to be exchanged for other goods and services
 
We could for years list innovative scientists that have a passion for science where money has no relevancy.
And after years of making the first list we could start all over again without repeating a name

What a ****ed up view of humanity
 
57Brave said:
We could for years list innovative scientists that have a passion for science where money has no relevancy.
And after years of making the first list we could start all over again without repeating a name

What a ****ed up view of humanity
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Money was no relevancy and yet they found a way to profit off of their brilliance.

What a childish view of humanity.
 
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