Is Free Speech Under Attack in this Country?

sturg33 said:
Does any of our lefty friends who assured us free speech is fine and we are all paranoid want to comment on the NYC banning?
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I'm far from a lefty. Been conservative with literally my entire life with some middle leaning over the last few years. This is hardly the mountain you want to die on.
 
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Libertarians are really the only ones with the right to complain about stuff like that. Both Democrats and Republicans want to limit the publics rights, just in different ways. There is a large portion on the right who want to use government authority to violently enforce their religious morals on unwilling people. Which is outright evil.
 
cajunrevenge said:
She can be friends with whoever she wants. I dont care. On the other hand, how can I be friends with someone who advocates violence against me. Advocates for my rights and liberty to be stripped and put in a cage? Millions of people have been sexually assaulted because of policies this man enthusiastically supports. Because they had a shiny badge and doesnt make the victim feel any better about it. In fact it's worse. Imagine being sexually assaulted because you smoke a joint and the perpetrator is considered a hero.



Beyond that if W was president of any other country he would be considered a war criminal.
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How are you ever going to effect change on those you disagree with if you don't associate with them?

Here's a great article on exactly why befriending those who want to do violence against you is a good thing:

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5448...0-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes
 
striker42 said:
How are you ever going to effect change on those you disagree with if you don't associate with them?

Here's a great article on exactly why befriending those who want to do violence against you is a good thing:

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5448...0-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes
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I prove that I am a good hard working and reliable person before I let people know I smoke weed. It would be hard to befriend cops and religious people who would probably rat on me. My safety comes first.
 
Carp said:
Guessing you mean "illegal alien". The other phrases "banned" were racists phrases like "Go back where you came from." The words/phrase itself isn't banned. The words/phrase used in a harmful intent has been added to a list banned discriminatory behavior. But you already knew this. Seems like another sensationalist post by you. Shocker.
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You support a government banning phrases.

Thank you for at least owning it. But I dont wanna hear any complaining about fascism out of you.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I prove that I am a good hard working and reliable person before I let people know I smoke weed. It would be hard to befriend cops and religious people who would probably rat on me. My safety comes first.
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I think there's a difference between putting yourself at risk of actual harm and befriending someone who has beliefs that, if enacted by some authority, would harm you in some way.

For example, let's say I believe in criminalizing smoking on public sidewalks and you smoke frequently on sidewalks. My belief is that there should be a law that directly harms you. However, this political disagreement should not keep us from being friends. You can play with the intensity of the harm and the extremity of the regulation but the basic logic persists.
 
sturg33 said:
You support a government banning phrases.

Thank you for at least owning it. But I dont wanna hear any complaining about fascism out of you.
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Once they ban one word or phrase, they’ll go to two and then three. You can’t open that door.
 
Krgrecw said:
Once they ban one word or phrase, they’ll go to two and then three. You can’t open that door.
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Lol, give me a break.

Though I bet you're pro-life and anti gay marriage (total disclosure, I was in the past and I lean to the right on abortion, but far from far right on that issue). But totally, posing fines for using certain words in a threatening manner is absolutely a slippery slope to taking away our rights....
 
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sturg33 said:
You support a government banning phrases.

Thank you for at least owning it. But I dont wanna hear any complaining about fascism out of you.
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What part of "The words/phrase itself isn't banned" is hard to comprehend? Using the words in a threatening or discriminatory manner is what is banned, not the word itself. News flash, all over the country it's illegal to say certain words/phrases in certain settings or in certain ways. Just like you can't scream bomb at an airport. I don't see you fighting the fascist government over that.

Furthermore, this is law is intended to fight against slumlords and sleezy business owners who are taking advantage of immigrants whether they are legal or illegal. I am not necessarily in total agreement with it, but stop with the banning words mantra. It's totally misleading and sensationalism.
 
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There is a sister thtead to this one dedicated to PC. Where a few posters complain and whines about unflattering speech directed towrds their political bent.
But, it's all good
 
striker42 said:
I think there's a difference between putting yourself at risk of actual harm and befriending someone who has beliefs that, if enacted by some authority, would harm you in some way.

For example, let's say I believe in criminalizing smoking on public sidewalks and you smoke frequently on sidewalks. My belief is that there should be a law that directly harms you. However, this political disagreement should not keep us from being friends. You can play with the intensity of the harm and the extremity of the regulation but the basic logic persists.
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I choose not to associate with people based on a few things but it's kind of a dont ask, dont tell policy. I also choose not to associate with women that have abortions or men that dont support their kid. I have literally told my Nephew if he has a kid and doesnt support it we ain't family anymore.

I consider myself at war with the groups of people that support marijuana prohibition. Those main groups are law enforcement, bible thumpers, and senior citizens. Not everyone in those groups feels that way but they are the last remaining hurdle. If this was a murky issue at all I would understand that people have different opinions.
 
Carp said:
What part of "The words/phrase itself isn't banned" is hard to comprehend? Using the words in a threatening or discriminatory manner is what is banned, not the word itself. News flash, all over the country it's illegal to say certain words/phrases in certain settings or in certain ways. Just like you can't scream bomb at an airport. I don't see you fighting the fascist government over that.

Furthermore, this is law is intended to fight against slumlords and sleezy business owners who taken advantage of immigrants whether they are legal or illegal. I am not necessarily in total agreement with it, but stop with the banning words mantra. It's totally misleading and sensationalism.
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I should be able to say "**** you" to whoever I want without government persecution... do you disagree?
 
sturg33 said:
I should be able to say "**** you" to whoever I want without government persecution... do you disagree?
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It depends. Verbal assault is pretty well outlined in all states and has been for a long time. So if you approached someone yelling obscenities in threatening manner, you absolutely could be arrested.

But in general, I agree you should be able to say what you want.
 
I find it interesting which speech is OK ("Trump is literally Hitler!") and which speech is not allowed ("goodlgle the people who are being put in concentration camps")

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The left doesn't even tolerate having a conversation with those of opposing viewpoints.

We saw it with Ellen. We see it here with Facebook. Did any conservatives get mad at GW Bush for speaking with Ellen?

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I've been following this thread and waiting for sturg to link to actual attacks on free speech. Still haven't seen any. Meanwhile we have a president tweeting stories from only one or 2 sources and trying to be the news source for a whole collection of the population. ****ting all over freedom of the press.
 
zitothebrave said:
I've been following this thread and waiting for sturg to link to actual attacks on free speech. Still haven't seen any. Meanwhile we have a president tweeting stories from only one or 2 sources and trying to be the news source for a whole collection of the population. ****ting all over freedom of the press.
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Lol NYC banned saying certain phrases.

But I advise you to.consult my first post in the thread.

If society doesnt value free spech' then we dont really have it
 
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