even then...probably not.
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even then...probably not.
MadduxFanII
Swallowed by Mark Bowman
I idly wonder if we'd potentially have an interest in Betts if the Red Sox actually decide to put him on the block. We've shown we're willing to shell out big money on short-term deals, and Betts' huge arbitration payday would only be a few million more than we paid Donaldson last year. I don't see Anthopolous giving up huge trade capital for a one-year rental, but if the lack of long-term control and big money keeps the trade price down, it could be a worthwhile risk for a team smack dab in the middle of a contention window.
striker42
Well-known member
A Soroka extension makes sense for both parties. The Braves get a chance to have a tremendous pitcher at a bargain price but take the risk of him getting hurt. Soroka, who already has had shoulder issues, gets financial security that is guaranteed even in the event of another shoulder injury.
OcalaBrave
Spring Training Invitee
IF
Freeman (22.4)
Albies (1.0)
Swanson (3.3)
Culberson (1.8)
Camargo (1.6)
Riley (.6)
OF (24.7)
Acuna (1.0)
Inciarte (7.7)
Castellanos (16) 2yr $32 million
Two scrubs making close to nothing. I'll take Joyce back if he wants to come for a similar contract.
C
2 FA (12.0)
SP (27.4)
Wheeler (25.0) 4 yr - $100 million A complete guess on his market.
Soroka (0.6)
Fried (0.6)
Newcomb (0.6)
5th (.6)
RP (11.4)
Jackson (1.9)
Greene (6.5)
Minter (.6)
Sobotka (.6)
Wilson (.6)
Webb (.6)
Rotating from AAA (.6)
Roughly $107.5 Million
I'm packaging Folty and Melancon for salary relief/prospects.
Wright/Toussaint/Wiegel/Muller get first shot at the #5 spot. If Newc can't re-establish himself in the rotation, he can head back to the pen when Anderson is fully ready. Pache can replace a scrub when he's ready and get a nice 4 man rotation going in the OF. Waters replaces Inciarte in 2020-2021. Riley slots in at 3b with a chance to get back on track. Camargo is the super sub, back-up plan at 3b. If Riley/Camargo can't fill 3b long term, I've given myself enough time to figure out who of Wright/Toussaint/Muller and Wiegel to deal for the 3B I need and have salary to accommodate that spot.
Doesn't have to Castellanos and Wheeler, but that's where I'd spend the money and would prefer to find younger players entering FA that seem to have found out how to be successful and might be ready to explode.
Freeman (22.4)
Albies (1.0)
Swanson (3.3)
Culberson (1.8)
Camargo (1.6)
Riley (.6)
OF (24.7)
Acuna (1.0)
Inciarte (7.7)
Castellanos (16) 2yr $32 million
Two scrubs making close to nothing. I'll take Joyce back if he wants to come for a similar contract.
C
2 FA (12.0)
SP (27.4)
Wheeler (25.0) 4 yr - $100 million A complete guess on his market.
Soroka (0.6)
Fried (0.6)
Newcomb (0.6)
5th (.6)
RP (11.4)
Jackson (1.9)
Greene (6.5)
Minter (.6)
Sobotka (.6)
Wilson (.6)
Webb (.6)
Rotating from AAA (.6)
Roughly $107.5 Million
I'm packaging Folty and Melancon for salary relief/prospects.
Wright/Toussaint/Wiegel/Muller get first shot at the #5 spot. If Newc can't re-establish himself in the rotation, he can head back to the pen when Anderson is fully ready. Pache can replace a scrub when he's ready and get a nice 4 man rotation going in the OF. Waters replaces Inciarte in 2020-2021. Riley slots in at 3b with a chance to get back on track. Camargo is the super sub, back-up plan at 3b. If Riley/Camargo can't fill 3b long term, I've given myself enough time to figure out who of Wright/Toussaint/Muller and Wiegel to deal for the 3B I need and have salary to accommodate that spot.
Doesn't have to Castellanos and Wheeler, but that's where I'd spend the money and would prefer to find younger players entering FA that seem to have found out how to be successful and might be ready to explode.
Southcack77
Well-known member
I think Grandal checks off a lot of needs in one spot. Getting a catcher who can hit middle of the order checks off so many boxes for your offense. But I would worry about that deal's length. I would guess a minimum of three years and that's where I have some heartburn.
I feel like they've had so much good luck cobbling together catching solutions cheap that we might be looking at that again. A guy like Cervelli who has hit in the past but may have a depressed market due to his injury history might be a good option.
I feel like they've had so much good luck cobbling together catching solutions cheap that we might be looking at that again. A guy like Cervelli who has hit in the past but may have a depressed market due to his injury history might be a good option.
Anyone thinking the Braves are going to shell out a 4 year deal to a SP hasn’t been paying attention to the AA FO. They are too smart to lock the team into a pitcher on the wrong side of 30, and we should all be thankful for that.
Wheeler is a guy who may be available mid-season similar to DK if his ask is way out of line with his actual value.
Getting back to a Soroka extension, the Kluber extension back in 2015 is a good comparison. The Indians signed Kluber for 5/38 to guarantee his team control years in exchange for a couple of $14M options. A similar 7 year deal for Soroka will give the Braves control over the entirety of his 20s.
Wheeler is a guy who may be available mid-season similar to DK if his ask is way out of line with his actual value.
Getting back to a Soroka extension, the Kluber extension back in 2015 is a good comparison. The Indians signed Kluber for 5/38 to guarantee his team control years in exchange for a couple of $14M options. A similar 7 year deal for Soroka will give the Braves control over the entirety of his 20s.
Grandal already turned down 4/60 in favor of 1/18, telling me he values a high AAV. I would be in favor of AA going as high as required to get him on a 1-2 year deal.
He should be this off seasons JD.
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How bout 2/40 with a club option for 25 million in year 3 with a 10 million buyout. Grandal is guaranteed 2/50.
Seems high, but something like that is what I imagine it would take.m
Hopefully 1 year plus an option.
He misread the market like many other FAs last year. He probably just took the highest 1 year deal after the Mets offer was no longer on the table. It was only late December when he turned it down. I'd be surprised if he accepted another 1 year deal unless it was over 20 million.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I'd go over 20M/year on a one or two year deal to Grandal.
ehh Wheeler is younger and better than DK. i think he'll get a nice deal.
Southcack77
Well-known member
I'm not sure what to guess he will value this time around.
Just as an offensive presence in relation to Donaldson, Grandal is 121wRC+ vs Donaldson's 132 and a ..362 xwOBA v Donaldson's .386. So you would need to do some other things to maintain the same quality of lineup.
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I've seen some speculation the Brewers might be open to moving on from Travis Shaw. That seems like an interesting LH hitting 3B who would be looking to rebound, that you could alternate with Riley if you wanted.
Pacheaholic
Arizona Fall Leaguer
Pretty ****ing hilarious how you people think Cole is gonna get $35+ Million a year. Harper and Machado couldn't even get close to that and they were both a few years younger. Cole will be looking at $25M a year and the Braves need to do it. Just take what you'll save by letting DK and Julio walk and give it to him! Then you can round out the rotation with a guy like Newk or Anderson when he is ready.
Cole
Soroka
Folty
Fried
Newk/Anderson
Cole
Soroka
Folty
Fried
Newk/Anderson
What? Machado and Harper sacrificed AAV for total money. Looking at the deals Kershaw, Greinke, and Verlander have gotten recently Cole will get around 35 per year.
Except he literally is quoted as saying he was looking for elite catcher pay levels of Mac and Martin. Mac had an AAV of $17M when he was elite.
Since nobody is going to give him 3+ years at $18M+, AA hopefully get him for something like 1/20.
See when you say it like that it makes a lot of sense. Problem is to get Cole we’d have to give up a draft pick and commit that $25 mil a year to him for 5-7 years. That’s what makes the proposition much less appealing.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Another way to look at it is this: Flowers and McCann were around a wRC+ of 89. Grandal upgrades that by 32. So we can downgrade from Donaldson's 132 by 30 at third base and still be ahead of the game.
Grandal is the single most logical target for us this off-season. Doesn't mean that we should go nuts on price or years. But it would be a very nice fit.
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Clueless. So very very clueless.
Another off season filled with aggressively ignorant posters asserting their moronic ideas over and over that will inevitably be proven wrong...just like every off season.
The Braves aren’t signing Cole.