Is Free Speech Under Attack in this Country?

sturg33 said:
The slope is in full on slip

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there are competing equities here...minority students should feel that they can attend classes and live on campus without being subject to racial abuse

the white students can go off campus to express themselves...the university has an overriding interest in providing an educational environment that works for all its students

no?
 
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nsacpi said:
there are competing equities here...minority students should feel that they can attend classes and live on campus without being subject to racial abuse

the white students can go off campus to express themselves...the university has an overriding interest in providing an educational environment that works for all its students

no?
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I believe the school could expel the students, but do not understand how the police can arrest them
 
sturg33 said:
I believe the school could expel the students, but do not understand how the police can arrest them
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the article is a little unclear what they are being charged with...do you have any information on that?

I think if I went into a private institution of any kind and started harassing the people there, they could call the police on me and have me arrested...no?
 
Is the school not public?

I dont see how or why you're defending this. It's exactly what yall have been saying wont happen in this thread
 
sturg33 said:
Is the school not public?

I dont see how or why you're defending this. It's exactly what yall have been saying wont happen in this thread
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it is a public school...but I believe that government institutions (like private businesses such restaurants) have legal rights to set rules for people entering their facilities...in some cases this can override "free speech"...I don't think a student can stand up in a classroom and racially abuse others...it seems common sensical that in such settings one does not have the same protections for "free speech"
 
nsacpi said:
it is a public school...but I believe that government institutions (like private businesses such restaurants) have legal rights to set rules for people entering their facilities...in some cases this can override "free speech"...I don't think a student can stand up in a classroom and racially abuse others...it seems common sensical that in such settings one does not have the same protections for "free speech"
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The school can discipline the students. The state should not be allowed to arrest them.

I guess this is more paranoia though
 
sturg33 said:
I believe the school could expel the students, but do not understand how the police can arrest them
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schools have a lot of leeway in terms of setting rules on who can come on campus and what activities they can engage in
 
sturg33 said:
The school can discipline the students. The state should not be allowed to arrest them.

I guess this is more paranoia though
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actually schools rely on the state to help enforce their rules...just about every school has occasion to call in the police...its a judgment call in some cases...in this particular case, expulsion might be the best recourse

if I went to a supermarket and started racially abusing customers, the management could throw me out or they could call the police...both are reasonable choices depending upon how obnoxious and persistent I was
 
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nsacpi said:
actually schools rely on the state to help enforce their rules...just about every school has occasion to call in the police...its a judgment call in some cases...in this particular case, expulsion might be the best recourse

if I went to a supermarket and started racially abusing customers, the management could throw me out or they could call the police...both are reasonable choices depending upon how obnoxious and persistent I was
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Yeah and you can be arrested for being racist.

Or at least, you used to not be able to
 
They have a First Amendment right to yell almost anything they damn well please.
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i like your tweet admits they can't yell anything they damn well please



the best case to use for this thread is your orange boy (i know, he isn't yours blah blah blah) attacking all truth and wanting to put people in jail for it


but so far, the answer to this thread is still nope
 
nsacpi said:
I think the supermarket has always had the right to throw me or anyone else off its premises for that kind of behavior
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Store can tell you to leave. You’ll only get in trouble if you disobey the cops. Cops can’t charge you with being racist
 
Krgrecw said:
Store can tell you to leave. You’ll only get in trouble if you disobey the cops. Cops can’t charge you with being racist
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well it is disturbing the peace or some such thing...now we have new laws...disturbing the peace while being a racist...progress!

actually it is not entirely a silly matter...I generally think we have too many laws...i'm not sure adding the category of hate crime makes much difference
 
goldfly said:
i like your tweet admits they can't yell anything they damn well please



the best case to use for this thread is your orange boy (i know, he isn't yours blah blah blah) attacking all truth and wanting to put people in jail for it


but so far, the answer to this thread is still nope
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How is it still nope?

We now have two examples of governments making laws / arresting people for what they say
 
Freedom boy: “why can’t I yell fire in a theatre? My rights are under attack”
 
if you're using your speech to harass someone and impedes them from getting their education etc

it isn't free speech

it isn't a debate or anything else that you want it to be to

it's harassment and can be criminal

your rights end when it involves what can happen/affect someone else. just like every other right


i'm sure you and your awful twitter follows will find another awful person to use as your martyr case of the impending war on freedom of speech though. lol
 
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